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20 Jul 2021 22:27:24
According to The Boot Room some Wolves fans are getting excited by links to Coutinho - do they seriously expect us to believe this.

Even if Barcelona were prepared to accept a huge transfer loss just to get him off the wage bill and sell for around £30mill which would be the absolute max we are likely to pay unless we sell someone for 50mill his wages are around 250k a week (or thereabouts depending where you read it) so do they really expect us to believe the club are about to offer someone more than double what the next highest paid player gets and pee off the entire squad! Can't imagine any sensible club doing that and certainly not the Wolves. So they really need to start linking us with players whose wages are south of 150K as that's the most we're likely to pay and only then for someone recognised as higher quality than what we have now.

I see Leao is looking close to a done deal, which is far more believable as his wages and transfer fee would be within our likely budget.

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20 Jul 2021 08:15:35
Leao talks have come to fruition since my tip off the other day. Media outlets say that he will be a replacement for podence if he goes to Spurs (I thought he was injured? ) . This is the same source that told me that Bruno Lage was being looked at back in January so pretty reliable.

I think this would be a good move as Leao is a young physical striker with potential while Podence is kind of surplus with Trincao, Neto, Traorè, Gibbs-White AND now even Ait-nouri as he is being played in a LW/ LM position over his previous LWB role.

Chiquinho is the only other name mentioned to me that hasn't yet hit social media (yet) .

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20 Jul 2021 08:55:52
Nice one 👍.

20 Jul 2021 09:14:31
I disagree White has had more then his fair chances to gain a place in the team and he is not good enough and should be sold, Traore does not have a footballing brain and should be sold, Neto injured out of action until November time and Nouri is no where near as good as Podence (who has been injured), if he is given the ball 10 times he will pass the ball backwards 8 times he needs to attack more.

20 Jul 2021 09:24:40
36 goals in 127 games isn't the best record though. I'd much rather stick with Jimenez and Silva and bring through Corbeanu.

20 Jul 2021 10:29:55
I think MGW should be given a solid preseason and see how he is in all honesty as I think he wasn't developed under Nuno as we all know he had his favourites and was injured for a time. A few seasons ago he was touted as an England prospect alongside Mount and Foden! Bruno likes to push and get the most of his youth players so I'm expecting some of our young fringe players to improve. I agree with you Jas that we need to start bringing on our youth players. We are yet to see how good Corbeanu is in all honesty and I hope we see him some point in preseason. However, even if he is class, that is still only 3 solid strikers in a 4-4-2 which is very risky because of potential injuries, cup competitions etc. We seem to have a habit of buying young players (Mir, Campana, Nazon just to name a few) and send them out on loan. Leao I think gives us something different and I would be happy to see him in the old gold. I just hope that if Podence does go, that it doesn't become a Jota situation and we end up regretting our decision.

20 Jul 2021 16:21:21
I think that we've all seen enough of Podence to snap any clubs hands off if they are really in for him, which I doubt. He's a one game in ten player whereas we need several nine games out of ten players. He's injury prone to boot.

21 Jul 2021 08:16:59
Agree OldWulf. Podence only really sparkled in his early games which were spectacular. Then physical players were easily knocking his confidence denying his style and unprotected by officials.
Need more strength in the prem therefore if we don’t replace he could be only an impact change from bench.

21 Jul 2021 09:59:10
The same can be said about most of our forwards including new signings with the exception of Raul.

21 Jul 2021 18:10:59
What about Neto, Baza? He's a nine out of ten games player is he not? Just a shame that we might not see him in action this side of Christmas. I agree that other recent signings have yet to convince.

17 Jul 2021 14:13:27
Noticed shabini or jordao not included in squad any news of them?

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17 Jul 2021 15:41:32
No Podence either.

17 Jul 2021 16:59:34
Podence injured due back early August, weren't the other two away with their countries U21 teams so doubt they are back yet.

17 Jul 2021 17:03:01
Both Jordao and Shabani are still on loan and will be having their preseason with their respective clubs. Many of the squad are still on their break from either the Euros or on their holidays. All of them should be present for the Spanish preseason games; including the new CB and GK.

17 Jul 2021 17:38:52
Both loans expired on 30th June 2021 so there either on an extended holiday or not under consideration by Lage.

17 Jul 2021 19:00:31
I’m going with you jas the loans have passed might be that lage doesn’t want them or they might be resting.

16 Jul 2021 23:34:11
Neves won't be going to Arsenal, they've just shelled out £50million for Ben white pending terms so can't afford Neves now.

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17 Jul 2021 07:48:12
I’m pleased with that Rated, Arsenal would have quibbled at paying the £40m+. In fact I think after last season and the fact he failed to break into the Portugal team for the Euros, I’m guessing he’ll be a man on a mission for this season. He would be hard to replace. We’ll see.

17 Jul 2021 10:16:38
The midfield pairing will be interesting this season. If we sign a more defensive cm maybe we will see Neves further forward. A more attacking cm will presumably be business as usual.

16 Jul 2021 19:25:34
Hearing Rafael Leao is being looked at. A Mendes client and with Giroud joining inter; he won't get much game time so we're looking at a loan to buy deal but Milan want a permanent deal sorted. Another name mentioned is Chiquinho (once again another mendes client) who is an attacking midfielder - makes sense as Lage likes his attacking brand of football and we don't have anyone 'attack minded' going forward in the centre midfield.

On a side note. Did anyone else completely forget that we have Leo Bonatini on our books! I certainly did!

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17 Jul 2021 01:01:12
Both those rumours been doing the rounds since before the end of last season, would love it to be true as Leal looks like a good player. If there's anything in it I suspect it would be a loan with an option. Mind you, I am unsure what Giroud signing for Inter has to do with the game time of a youngster who plays for AC?! 🤣.

17 Jul 2021 01:03:13
Ps- sorry Wonky I couldn't resist, I realise that you meant Giroud to AC which is probs true, especially as they will be making room for his wages 👍.

17 Jul 2021 16:56:45
A bit of a blunder on my part bully! Blaming it on the long work shifts haha!

16 Jul 2021 14:51:07
Coutinho coming in on loan. would love this!

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16 Jul 2021 15:07:01
If true, it's a major show of intention by fosun and can only mean that moutinho will be moving on aswell as his wages would surely be earmarked to help pay couthinos wage.

16 Jul 2021 16:00:58
Here say at mo apparantly a option to buy is agreed too for £17million, but yeah i'll wait see until the club confirm it if it is indeed happening which I doubt tbh.

16 Jul 2021 17:28:12
🤣🤣🤣😂😂.

16 Jul 2021 18:03:02
If this happens it shows the state of some clubs after this C.V.
Not forgetting the hunger of the Wolves.
As I've said there are some tasty deals to be done.

16 Jul 2021 19:07:29
A big if this is true I hope he doesn't break the wages structure.

16 Jul 2021 21:30:08
Absolutely no chance his damn wages would break us lol but seems funny season is starting early today coutinho tomorrow will be some other person that will have no desire to come to wolves and work hard and play football these players will at least want EUROPEAN FOOTBALL some one like coutinho will end up at a club like arsenal that play some stupid wages.

16 Jul 2021 22:54:31
Only way he'll come to us is on a loan with Barcelona paying the vast majority of his £200k a week wages.

17 Jul 2021 12:39:56
Jas, you're right. But I'd take him on that basis of reduced wages. He would be highly motivated to get back to his best form. Could be interesting! Would help Barcelona as well as us if he starts scoring for fun. Wonderful how we are continually and realistically linked with players from top clubs abroad. No signings of the like of Leon Clarke.

16 Jul 2021 10:39:23
Campana on loan to grasshoppers.

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15 Jul 2021 18:25:18
Nice to see the announcement of the signing of Jose Sa on a 5 year contract.
That means so far cost wise the outs and ins about balance out. I certainly hope that's not it! All very quiet on the gossip pages as well. I know they always keep things quiet but after the disaster of the last couple of transfer windows a few comments from Jeff Shi as to where we are going would be nice. I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned!

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15 Jul 2021 18:45:35
Welcome Jose Sa, didn't see that one coming Ken 🙄.

15 Jul 2021 19:13:04
Yeah complete surprise NikNak! 😀😀😀.

15 Jul 2021 19:20:52
Check the till, Ken. We sold Patricio and bought a younger model and still got change of £3mil. Cool or what?!
Should we let ITK know gently, or wait for him to read it on News Now? I don't want him to not be in the know. He can then tell us.

15 Jul 2021 19:26:20
Just like trincao big shock.

15 jul 2021 19:31:29
think most of the non actives some will still be on holidays mate it will probably start the mad rush after a couple of friendlys were bruno will get to see who he needs to get in if our squad ain't up to what he wants the more you read about bruno the more excited i'm getting the calibre of players that sing his praises and say he is a excellent manager and coach is amazing good things are coming.

15 Jul 2021 19:46:20
Deep we'd already spent 4.5m on a centre back. Roughly balanced so far!

15 Jul 2021 19:53:31
Fingers crossed you're right giants, but I tend now to avoid the opinion, ITK, and would be great. Of course they are all clickbait and I know it's taken me a while but I've got there in the end. I only take notice when the reports come from someone sitting in a tree outside Compton!

15 Jul 2021 20:08:49
We are a month out from our opening match with the foxes, Jeff Shi and staff really need to close out any other transfers coming out way so they can join in and build as much chemistry as possible.

15 Jul 2021 20:19:44
Rumours of Nuno after Boly and Podence. After Spurs failed chase for Kounde from Sevilla.

£25m for Podence apparently.

Thinking about it would fans accept £40m for Boly and Podence?

I think that would be a great way of generating funds to think that's £40m towards an experienced CB and CM.
Palhinha and Tarkowski or Dunk anyone?

15 Jul 2021 21:11:38
Siiisenor my thoughts exactly. Don't want an undercooked start to the season, I suspect its going to be tough one. I hope I'm wrong!

15 Jul 2021 22:46:27
Ken - RAN cost circa £10 didn't he so with the new CB and the 2GK trades we are fair bit out of pocket so far - or are their other trade i'm missing?
Madman - yes to the pair but suspect that they might cost upto £40m each not the pair.
Podence is a difficult one to call - he was injured/ out of sorts for much of last season, is lightweight and frustratingly inconsistent but on his day - which he showed particualrly in the early part of the season - he is brilliant and v v creative - possibly a little out of step with most of our team perhaps but brilliant and would be v hard to replace. so £25m might be light for his undeniable potential.
Boly suffered from C.V. last year and struggled to get his mojo back - was that the start of an age related decline or a short term blip.
He is the best out and out defender at the club so would like to keep and add to rather than sell and def only would sell if we get a gtee'd player like the two you mention.
Given his age £15m might be fair but if he gets back to where he was that too might be light
But Madman i'm a Wolves fan so undoubtedly biased!

15 Jul 2021 22:56:54
Ken68
I agree! It's not just wolves though, anybody rumouring our players like Arsenal, or Tottenham either need to make a serious bid or stop lingering around because that's stopping us from making transfers. Tbf the season might start off a little shaky since we have some tough opponents the first 3 weeks and we have a new coach, but hey if we could manage to pull some victories that would be great!

15 Jul 2021 23:33:05
TFIOG
In
RAN-£10m
Mosquera-£4.5m
Sa-£6.8m
Trincao-Loan

Out
Patricio-£10m

Its interesting how the club is looking to refocus the funds and salaries to other parts of the squad.

They have replaced Patricio. Found a back up for Neto on loan. Brought a promising CB from Columbia. And finalised a deal for a young LWB that did okay on loan last season.

But what does Bruno want now? Surely he has plans on his defence and midfield. Not forgetting all the forwards we have been linked with.

I think the club have been true to there word saying they need to be 'creative'. They are trying to save money on young player loans made last season. And move previous large salaries to reinvest funds more evenly through squad.
I expect Moutinho, Podence and Boly to leave as part of this restructuring.
I'm unsure on Neves and Traore i'm guessing its down to contract and whether they are in brunos plans.

16 Jul 2021 08:44:50
Madman - you can't argue with that. All the deals so far look smart/ creative if you like.
But as you say what is key is the big 2 deals still needed at CB and CM.
Yes Moutinho will surely leave freeing up a big slab of salary but not sure we have the bodies to let 3 go and only 2 come in.
We need a bigger squad so I d keep the other 2 and try and add at least the 2 mentioned.
But we all know that will cost money we may or may not have.
Hence this summer we may need to be creative again or look at very short term sol'ns until the finances are ( if they are as the noise intimates in a poor place) sorted out again. Are there any frees out there or players at the end of their careers available for nominal sums looking or one last pay day - (we can use Moutinho salalry? ) Giroud for example would have been great. I know i'm undoubtedly overly optimistic if I think that sort of player will come to Wolves sadly.
Thrashing about randomly and in no particular order and limiting myself to Prem league players (as I have no knowledge of overseas football) now that CP have bought the young lad from Chelsea Guehi, Dann and Cahil will not be resigned. Could they do a job for a year maybe. Sean Duffy is back frm Celtic and surely won't get a game at Brighton even if White is sold - cheaper than Dunk for a year?
I know these are bargain basement players but if we now have no money?
Of course if we have money then we can raise our expectations and the 2 you mentioned before Tarkowski and Dunk would be great.
Lindelof or Laporte might be a bit of a stretch but Bailly is prob available and Ake could be a steal.
In Mid Ziyech is available as surely is RLC and others, Gallagher? . At MU Greenwood or James might be sent out on loan for game time?
Milner might be allowed to leave on a free for solid service if Liverpool add players and surely we would be favourably looked on- might ask for Phillips on loan perhaps as well?
Sorry not that well thought out but its not easy to find quality players for nowt.
If I know of them so do all 19 of the other Prem League teams.

16 Jul 2021 10:17:37
future. I apologise for forgetting RAN, pretty careless mislaying a wing backisnt it! Slapped wrist for that guys. But I guess the general direction of the conversation is still that we appear to be suffering from short arms and deep pockets so far. Though if fit we can put a decent first team out there. Let's hope no one gets injured!

16 Jul 2021 10:56:59
TFIOG
I don't think we would only buy two players. We would buy a known cb and cm. Then supplement squad further with players from benfica, Barcelona.
Alot depends on Moutinho, Neves and Vitinha in midfield. One needs to give way for Vitinha. Or we leave Vitinha for the more experienced duo. I can see Wolves playing similar to England with either two holding midfielders one ball playing midfielder (Neves) and one ball winning midfielder (palhinha) . Then a box to box midfielder such as Gedson Fernandes. So in effect 4213 or a 433. Just so we still protect back 4.
Your right some of the players you mention are well worth a shout.
Id say Cahill, Dann, Milner and Duffy aren't even looked at due to age and wages for there age.
Laporte, Lindelof, Zouma, Ake, Bailly and Umtiti are dependant on those clubs finding replacements. Although I would argue this is a fantastic summer to buy great talent at good prices.
Dunk and Tarkowski obviously have a premium. Ben White would be amazing but his head is set on Arsenal.
Not sure how Ziyech would fit in with our forwards. Maybe a loan would be a good idea.
Dont forget we also have these academy players that need to make the step up as well:Marques, Otawosie, Morgan gibbs white.
Suppose the next two weeks we will see what the club are planning and how Bruno sets up his team.

16 Jul 2021 12:05:06
Madman, I'd be surprised if we didn't have a minimum of three academy players established in the first team squad this coming season, Otasowie, MGW and at least one other. But we are short of experienced quality players in certain positions. OK, such players might prefer more 'glamourous' clubs but we can offer an opportunity that bigger clubs can't, where they might never get a look in. Sign for Wolves, get plenty of starts, get noticed and if they really want, move on in 2/ 3 years. This process worked well for Jota, Jimenez, Traore and Neves. Playing for Wolves really elevated their profiles.

16 Jul 2021 12:51:43
Yes deep throat I agree. I think the clubs got to move the players on that they want to whilst also paying big for the players they need.
If they move on Boly, Podence, Cutrone, Mir, Moutinho.
It would be good to see one or two defenders mentioned above and
Palhinha with Vinicius. And maybe Robinson from fulham. For me that is the club rebalancing the squad.
But will the club spend more? Are any of those Bruno signings?
Not forgetting we are still after the young attackers from Santos and Benfica. All exciting in my opinion. And to think we may have jonny and Neto back by December.

16 Jul 2021 13:01:59
I also don't think bringing unproven players to the club is the problem. I enjoy watching the young players develop. Especially Jota and Neves even Neto. Its the fact some supporters have tasted success for the first time in years and want more. Which isn't a bad think of course I have that hunger for the club and community. But there is a massive gap between us and the top 6.Whether that is match day revenue, commercial revenue, success, and just having control over big decisions since 1992.
The club needs to gambke on some top players at some point. We have been linked to Ruben Dias, Pepe, Zinchenko, Kessie, Olmo even John stones and not completed the transfers for numerous reasons. That needs to change this summer for us to progress. We need European football each year for the next 4 years and a trophy would be a bonus that is success and increasing the profile of the club.

16 Jul 2021 13:06:06
good thread guys!

16 Jul 2021 18:01:44
Interesting to see that there are many comments about acquiring existing Premier league players but surely the last several years show that is just not how Fosun and their advisers work. Unless there is a complete about turn, any and all players brought in will be from further afield and probably a left field at that.

16 Jul 2021 20:13:50
Your right old wulf
Its just from rumours that they are available.
In reality can't see Brighton selling Dunk and Ben White. Maybe 1.
Laporte, Ake and Sterling were for sale from city earlier in the window not sure after Euros.
West Ham have been after Tarkowski for a while. So it seems he is available at the right fee.
Man utd are after Varane so youd assume Bailly or Lindelof will be available.
Davison Sanchez is available from Spurs. As they failed to do a swap plus money for Sevilla cb Kounde.
Barca have loads of players available as they need to cut the salary budget.
But you are rights there will be loads of players in Spain and Portugal we will be monitoring.

13 Jul 2021 22:02:47
If the rumours are true, why are we signing a right back from Hungary. Havent we got enough?

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13 Jul 2021 22:06:32
He's going straight out on loan for the season.

13 Jul 2021 22:19:42
Ragingbull

It's a done deal, going straight to grasshoppers on loan. Transfer fee is currently unknown, and it could be just a financial move. These type of signings need to happen to increase first team money. This RB could either blow up and teams require of his services, or could be added to the wolves in the future.

14 Jul 2021 13:22:42
Do fans not understand how the club works?
Imagine you are an owner of a football club you are a billionaire and you have plans to make your investment successful.
The club has achieved highest positions in over 40 years 3 years in a row.
Would you buy 4 experienced players on over 100k a week for 50m each and risk upsetting the team culture? Do all players want to come to Wolves?
The answer is some may but there character as a mercenary is bad for the club and team.
Then we have the 'experienced'player every Wolves fan wants at the moment. Its simple who? Who is good enough? Lingard played well for 10 games then dropped off. Zinchenko didn't want to come.
Going bavk to the hungarian rb. This is a series of signings that are designed to overlap between academy and first team. They give the young player a chance to start there career at a big premiership club. But in the case of Vitinha, Silva, Dhabani, Jordao and Neto they are designed to bring a set of strong technically able players to the club to minimise the gap between u18, u21 and u23 (reserve football) . Players like Kilman, Otawosie, Morgan gibbs white, Giles, Sanderson, Burr and Marques have benefitted from this system as it has raosed standards throughout the club.

14 Jul 2021 14:14:03
Madman it is all about balance.
In a previous note you talked about investment for the future as independent of investment for the present.
However there is no seperate pot of gold to do this.
If you spend on the future it is at the cost of investment for the present.
Whilst I totally understand what you are saying about finding the right player and a player who will come ( we have made it harder for ourselves by going backwards so sharply last year and not just not being able to offer European football this year but even in all reality the prospect of it in the near term ) but it doesn't mean you give up on the concept. Clearly you can't buy prima donnas or players who will upset the squad morale - Silva is a real risk there as he is one of the very highest paid but clearly not even close to justifying it - but players who fit both the culture and the teams requirements.
If we don't buy for the present (and v soon) we will get relegated sooner or later costing 100's of millions and no amount of clever youth development will compensate for that - plus no really talented kid will come to a championship side that isn't looking like it has a plan for the future.
Most billionaires will get this and will understand the need for balance
Indeed until last summer we had done this extremely well buying youngsters like Neto and Neves alongside experienced player like Boly and Moutinho.
However due to the passage of time (old age) and injurys the balance after a year of misjudged inactivity is now dangerously close to wrong and we need to redress this during the current window.
Nothing wrong with sensibly structured buys for the future (and a career path as you decribe) as long as it is balanced by buys for the current so that we have a premier league future.
Jeff got it badly wrong last summer let's not make the same mistakes again.

14 Jul 2021 14:38:43
TFIOG, you keep mentioning Fabio Silva and how wrong Wolves have got it by signing him. Whilst I agree that he isn't the finished article, you lambast him as he's 'one of the highest earning'. How do you know this? The internet should not always be trusted, especially when different 'trusted' sites have varying amounts from £15k to £80k.

14 Jul 2021 15:42:23
We paid £35m for him - over 25% of our annual turnover, yet even his biggest fans acknowledge he wasn't ready last year and many acknowledge he won't be ready this year either. Consequently what he is paid is almost irrelevant as for Wolves that alone it is a bad deal full stop.
We simply can't afford to carry players who don't contribute for that sort of money as we discovered last year when we didn't have a deep enough squad of ready to play Prem quality players once the injury's kicked in.
If Madman was right when his post intimated that this money came out of some sort of different pot it would be fine but it doesn't it came out of the pot from which we should have bought ready to play players but couldn't because it was empty and seemingly (if you believe all the noise) still isn't flush.
However re his wages whilst I agree the internet is not a reliable source of data and I haven't seen his pay packet do you think Wolves pay £35m for a player and put him on youth team wages?
He has been bought, in Wolves terms, as a super star, or for, in Wolves terms, super star money at least. It is therefore reasonable to assume is it not that the internet, where yes some sites have him lower paid, is probably correct when, as most sites do, it states he is one of our highest paid players. With Patrico leaving he may in fact be number 3 behind Moutinho and Semedo or possibly 4 behind Jimenez as well - whose wage is also quoted wildly differently on ifferent sites.
ps we haven't go it wrong signing him - he may turn out to be a great player as he has got that magic ability to be in the right place at the right time, - but we did structure the transfer v badly. A lesson we seem to have learnt with the RAN deal being more rational and the Sa/ Patricio deal being on the face it a good one.
Pps I have seen sites quoting 90k pw so you are correct the internet is not reliable.

14 Jul 2021 15:52:55
Could well be a good move. Tote Gomes the guy we signed from Estoril last year helped Grasshoppers to promotion last season to the Premier. Looks decent and will spend another year there. We will make a profit when or if we sell. Impressed in games I've watched.

14 Jul 2021 16:21:29
Fabio Silva was a gamble, wolves paid £35m for him and I would still consider that a bargain. Had the kid never left Porto and would had an impressive year there, he would be worth more double the fee. The kid is talented and we just have to give him time. Playing under Bruno Lage will help him improve!

14 Jul 2021 16:34:34
The future is old gold.
I'll give you a few players I'd look at with experience.
Defence:Dunk, Tarkowski, Ben White, Zouma, Laporte (i know out there but he is supposed to be available) .
Midfield:Palhinha, Gedson Fernandes, flortino Luis, Ryan Gauld, ask for Renato Sanchez (again if a deal is possible) and Goncalves (depending on our deal with familcao and then sporting) Vitinha (if Neves Leaves)
Forwards: Guedes (if Traore goes), Carlos Vinicius and Leao. i'd also look at Seferovic from Benfica.
Not sure how that all adds up with home grown players etc etc.

My annoyance is fans that want experience and can't say who they want. Its to simple to say there's a problem but not give a solution.
Then blame young talent on the issues.

Note I also agree that the club are looking at strengthening Lwb with Robinson from Fulham.

The future is old gold your view on Fabio Silva is like investing in stocks in a new company and expecting returns with 12 months during a depression. Give the lad time and get behind them!

14 Jul 2021 16:35:13
TFIOG, where can I get my hands on a copy of the Wolves finances. You say over 25% of our turnover was spent on Silva so just confirm what our turnover is.

I'm no financial guru but even I know that we have other streams of income other than the TV money. Also, are you aware that not many transfer fees are paid up in full. They're usually staggered over a period of at least 2 summers. Hence why we only had £4.5m paid up front for Jota last season.

14 Jul 2021 17:06:29
How I go about my thinking is our club try everything in their power to get the right players they think (through a huge up to date state of the art process) will improve us.
Last summer we may of well had players coming in but didn't materialize through no fault of our club.
It been said since promotion the area of players we are looking for is a very narrow and small area.
I think the club has been looking for a quality c/ b for the the last 2 or 3 transfer windows this to me shows how difficult it is to bring in players.
Re Silva it may be a bad buy to certain fans but I imagine an excellent well thought out smart buy by fosun.
I don't know and I respect every fans opinion but since fosun all the players who we have seen playing for wolves has been something I have never witnessed so I trust fosun as I don't know or understand how it is behind the scenes for our 10 year plan.
I think the club is always looking for quality first team players and I personally think we need 1 or 2 but if we don't I will still have faith in the club that they are doing their upmost to make us better.
I think quality players available are all on the clubs list of targets.
I hope quality players will want to join us and our project.
We wait and see in eager inticiptation.

14 Jul 2021 17:23:06
Jas just google Wolverhampton Wanderers football club beta and you’ll get some Companies House options and be able to view the most recent filed accounts (I think the turnover was £132m in the last filed accounts) .
No great issue on the Jota deal as I’m guessing aside from the initial payment we would have the transfer balance included in the balance sheet as a contractual debtor.
‘Pool are watching their pennies to their great credit and the whole amount in the P&L of the year in which the transfer took place.

14 Jul 2021 22:59:44
Wolves Turnover was 190M in Financial year ending May 2020. Accounts have not been filed yet for year ending May 2021.

14 Jul 2021 23:23:09
Thanks for clarification Shanghai, your figure includes the deferred broadcasting revenues and mine didn’t.
Certainly a weird year to 31.05.20 with the season overhang.

15 Jul 2021 17:47:14
NES and Shanghai - if you read page 1 of the Wolves accounts it makes it very clear that Wolves turnover was £132m but on page 2 it states that it would have been £190m if the C.V. hadn't occured.
It also makes clear, as you say NES, that a large part although not all of the differnce will indeed be received in 20/ 21 however that will be part of the turnover for 20/ 21 not 19/ 20 which is the latest figures available.

15 Jul 2021 18:13:12
Jas M the transfer, (In this case Fabio's but in reality all buys and sales) ares reported in different ways depending on which of the 3 accounts you are looking at.
In the B/ S Fabio will be recorded as an asset at £28m now (would have been £35m originally) offset by either a £35m increase in net debt if we have paid for him less a £7m reduction in Profits (his depreciation to date ) or a combination of above for the bit we have paid and as a Creditor - someone we owe money to - for the bit we haven't.
In the cahflow in the first year it would be Fixed assets up £35m and either debt up or working capital down depending on if we paid or not.
In later years if we paid up front the only difference will be depreciation up £7m profit down £7m and no movement in debt
But if we are paying in stages net debt will rise by the amount we paid working capital will increase by the same amount and the 2 depreciation and profit movements will be repeated
Finally and probably most importantly in the p and l (as it forms the starting point for FFP) he is charged/ is a deduction from profits to the club at £7m pa plus his wage regardless of if we paid up front on in stages or indeed whatever those stage payments are
All v boring and not that relevant - the big q is can a club afford the tranfer or not.
That is by far a more complex q and the accounts are merely one factor - how good he is and how good the rest of the squad is are clearly others and your view is obviously different to mine but that is what makes football and this site interesting.

15 Jul 2021 18:28:46
Madman - great analogy. Silva is the stock and Wolves the investor.
Odd though for you to do so as even ignoring the depression bit investing in start ups is a v high risk strategy and for every Apple (Ronaldo? ) there are 100s no 1000s of companies that give no return at all indeed go bust ( zele ismael, josh Mccrachan etc etc etc) .
To be clear as an aside for the vast majority of people/ investors direct investment in stocks - even old privatisation favs or FTSE stalwarts - is not a sensible idea.
Depending on your tax posistion your pension or unit/ investment trusts are a far better way to go. Cheaper, safer and far more diversified.
But back to your analogy only the very very rich, (Man U) or the very foolish (hopefully not Wolves) should be investing in start ups in a depression.
Making sure you can feed your family and keep a roof over there head is far more important - ie we don't get relegated
Chasing the dream but losing your footing is not a smart thing to do
But as I said before it is all about balance and where that lies is different in everyones eyes and will depend amongst other things on how strong you think the existing squad is and how good you think Fabio is / will become and when - Note a share is yours for ever and a back ended return over the v long term is possible but Fabio now only has 4 years left on his contract and in reality in the final year you have to make a decision reasonbly early.
If as you postualte he doesn't contribute next year either we actually will only have 2 years to reap a reward before we are faced with the sell or offer new contract call
Appreciate your list will send one back later on with comments as this post is already v long - sorry.

15 Jul 2021 20:27:38
The future is old gold.
I understand your reasoning.
To compare Josh MacEachren and Zele Ismail to Fabio Silva is rather fool hardy. I understand your scepticism however we are talking about a Mendes player, a mendes club, a mendes investor in Fosun and a Mendes agency in gestifute tending to Fabio Silva's development. Its like a new stock with millions already backing the idea. Zele Ismail had one coach say he was worth £100m aged 15.
If Fabio scores 10 goals next season and brings more assists to his game the fee will be irrelevant. He will have already reached Lukaku hights whilst he was at Sandwell Town.

15 Jul 2021 20:43:48
Agreed TFIOG, how much more useful would the Strategic Report be if they split out the revenue deferred to the next financial year from the lost revenue? But anyway they’re painting a financial picture of what could have been and it will be useful to do some benchmarking versus our peers and closest competitors (a treat for another day) .
Well-explained analysis of the likely accounting treatment of Fabio and his contract. Regardless of whether we classify Fabio as a fixed asset or an intangible let’s hope he provides us with some fair value on the pitch this season 👍.

15 Jul 2021 22:54:28
Madman - good post.
However I could have named half a dozen of England's world cup winning under 17 side who have not trained on or countless others But choose zele as he was the golden boy for Wolves and Josh as he had such a great (but rude) chant attached to him.
BUT you are correct there are a lot of people with a vested interest in it working and Fabio had a stellar youth career so maybe he will work out.
If he gets the goals and assists you are def right the fee will be irrelevant - i'd want more than 10 and a few assists though - but i'm v greedy!

15 Jul 2021 23:02:50
NES of the £58m of lost revenue I believe that only just over £2m won't be recovered in the future. This is the match day money for games played behind closed doors.
However just because we are getting a £56m boost don't think it will be all sweetness and light in 20/ 21 as there is no European football and we ended the year 6 places lower - losing a fair chunk of revenue accordingly.
Plus I strongly suspect our wage bill will be heavily up with Semedo and Silva joining and our contract amortisation would have almost certainly increased a well due to the 2 new guys - offsetting this though we did make huge profits on Jota and Doherty.

13 Jul 2021 21:15:29
Patricio gone. Thanks for the memories and good luck at Roma.

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13 Jul 2021 21:54:04
Agree Jas M, oddly enough Roma are the team I choose to attend games at over here so may see him in action again soon.
Served us well and actually improved as time went on too, most noticeably his kicking.

13 Jul 2021 22:00:44
surprised Sa hasn't been announced yet. Agree though Jas thanks Rui and good luck.

13 Jul 2021 22:07:31
Sa is being announced in the next 48 hours.

14 Jul 2021 04:34:10
TY Rui! been an amazing three seasons.

14 Jul 2021 06:08:06
All the best in Rome Rui Patricio and thankyou for all yoy done for us.

14 Jul 2021 07:12:46
Very lucky to of had him at wolves, new manager comes in though doesn’t offer new contract, decent money for a 33 year old, we move on.

14 Jul 2021 09:21:45
Tibbsy - if we got just over £10m it is v decent money and will represent quite a large, over £5m, profit on his ammortised value - great for FFP!
Also if Sa is as good as we are told £6.8m looks a v good deal and if he is also offered a 4 year deal with only cost us £1.7m a year cf Rui's £4.5m.
Dont know what salary they are offering Sa but remember Rui was on just over £5m pa.
It is highly likely we are making a big saving there as well - again a plus for FFP.
All in all pretty good work - although only of course if he is as good as we are told and at least as good as last year's Rui (which will probably be better than this years to be honest due to father time! ) .
Odd deal by Mourinho but he made a mess of Doherty's deal as well buying him cheap but then playing him out of position and finding out he can only play one way - and not the way he, Mourinho wanted!

14 Jul 2021 09:27:01
Moved from Wolves to Wolves.

14 Jul 2021 15:49:15
Good deal all around I thought!

 


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