Wolves rumours 2

30 Nov 2024 23:50:45
Take with very large pinch of salt but saw a tweet saying o'neil has gone, it got deleted though hence the pinch of salt.

01 Dec 2024 06:49:43
I think Rated, yesterday was a bad day for the Coach. Wrong set-up, player selection questionable, slow to change and when subs used, there was no pattern to the play. Lose on Wednesday and surely change will happen.

01 Dec 2024 07:33:31
I think they might have someone already lined up potter or moyes

01 Dec 2024 10:54:43
i do hope so, we are rotten from top to bottom.

01 Dec 2024 11:09:11
i feel its odds on we will mess it up at Everton, no morale in our club.

01 Dec 2024 11:47:54
i hope so kiddy in over 50 years never seen anything like yesterday its not a happy ship

01 Dec 2024 18:03:31
Think he might be gone tomorrow fingers crossed

26 Nov 2024 15:26:52
If we actually sell Ait Nouri for the reported fee of £30M to Man U or Liverpool I will be disgusted with Fosun's business acumen and it will prove my thoughts that they're cashing in before they sell. He's undoubtedly worth at least £50M in today's market.

26 Nov 2024 16:34:30
It's all media bullsh*t.

We sold Nunes for £50m+, Kilman for £40m+ so I'm sure Fosun will get the right price for AIT

26 Nov 2024 18:50:08
Sorry Pikey Wolf, but RAN isn't worth £50m. He's OK going forward has the occasional deft touch and knows where the oppositions goal is, but out weighing this is his inadequacy in defence. He loses the ball with over-playing/poor passes around the half way line 2 or 3 times a game. In my opinion he's been pretty much responsible for at least 7 of the goals against so far this season.

26 Nov 2024 19:53:46
Yeh but if we sell to liverpool or suchlike they will use him correctly and turn him into a 60mil.player.going fwd there aren't many better.same as t.a.a.ready made replacement for lpool.so hold out for 50mil.easy

{Ed001's Note - TAA plays on the right, hardly a ready made replacement.}

26 Nov 2024 22:18:30
Sorry but I'm with East here, £50m is a LOT of money for a defender that can't defend! Without a massive change in his defensive attributes I genuinely don't believe a big club will even be in for him! He's great at going past people by that alone is not enough for modern full backs 🧐

27 Nov 2024 15:23:57
Well whatever we sell him for, we've got to pay Angers 50% of the profit. So if we sold him for £30m we'd have to take off the £10m we paid for him and give £10m to his former club.

Hardly seems worth it.

27 Nov 2024 17:10:59
v good thread with lots of excellent contributions!
I agree with lots of bits and disagree with quite a few as well
It's interesting to see posters's views though and great that this contentious/multi faceted issue has created some unusual alliances/agreements.
Firstly undeniably RAN is not a strong defensive full back - but is that ability, ( don't think so - see Salah game last year), attitude, (is he careless and casual in possession or simply too ambitious or optimistic/out of kilter re his colleagues) or tactics, (like Doherty before him RAN is often out of position but as with Doherty is that because the manager wants him to bomb on?).
However I think it is a little harsh to underplay his offensive capabilities. He isn't just good he is amazingly good.
In a better team that could give him a freer role - like TAA at Liverpool albeit RAN is left sided not right - and who could cover his defensive weakness he would be extremely valuable.
Breaking teams down is incredibly hard even for the top sides and RAN is as good as any (except perhaps TAA) defender at doing so. Even at a weak club who don't score many he has more goals and assists (5) so far this season than any other defender in the league.
Consequently I would hope we would get significantly more than £30m.
Clearly at a better side his weaknesses would diminish in importance, ( top teams are forced to defend far less anyway and RAN's shortcomings could be covered), but his strength would become more obvious as his team would have more of the ball and the opposition would not be able to devote as much time and energy to defend him.
He might therefore be even more successful going forwards.
On the next point however sadly whilst we got great prices for Kilman and Nunes we got terrible ones for Neves, Neto and Traore. Consequently I can't be certain that we will extract more than £30m regardless of what I feel about his ability, cf for example Kilman.
Finally Wandering if we get above £20m we would simply buy out the 50% option, (Liam Keen confirmed recently that it is not on profits but sales price and we still have the option at £9.5m.)
So if we sell at £30m we buy out the option for £9.5m and keep £20.5m.

27 Nov 2024 20:47:48
Is it really worth it then?

We paid £9.5m for him so if we sell him for £30m without buying out the 50% clause, we make £10.25m profit.

If we do pay the £9.5m buy out clause and sell him for £30m then we would make £11m profit.

27 Nov 2024 21:04:38
Wandering - NO!
Firstly you are confusing cash and profits
Secondly you are ignoring/don't understand amortisation.
Please find a friend who can explain football finances to you as I don't have the time or energy to keep this up!

27 Nov 2024 22:12:45
I do understand maths. We pay £9.5m We sell for £30m = £20.5m profit.

But as you say we leave the clause in place so that means we give £10.25m to Angers.

Or we pay Angers the £9.5m buy out fee so we have paid £9.5m for the player plus £9.5 to Angers so £19m in total. We sell for £30m so that means £11m profit.

Please explain what Amortisation is as I understand it to be the action or process of reducing or paying off a debt with regular payments.

So although we may be paying any transfer fee/buyout fee over a period of time, the bottom line is that we will still pay the asking/agreed price.

And before you try and insult me again by saying I should ask someone who understands, I have whereas you clearly haven't hence you thinking we lost £107m last year.

28 Nov 2024 07:19:11
Amortisation is a form of depreciation. The cost value of the asset is reduced for every year of a assets economic life. In the case of football players his contract. So if a player costs £10m and he initially signs a 4 year contract, his value on the books is reduced every year bt £2.5m and the reduced value is used against the sale value to calculate the profit. Also in the case of RAN, from what future appears to be saying, we would have to pay back 50% of the sales value, not the profit made. So if we sold for £30m we have to pay over £15m not £10m

18 Nov 2024 13:46:22
Sasa Kalajdzic is close to joining Wolves first team training after recovering from his serious knee injury. Gary O'Neil has said the Austrian forward could be back training with the group in the next few weeks.

Source Liam Keen.

19 Nov 2024 13:11:36
He will never be any good again after those injuries I'm afraid.

20 Nov 2024 08:17:40
At least give the bloke a chance.

21 Nov 2024 07:32:27
If he does get fit and is staying, then at least we would have a backup CF.
Gossip on another site suggesting, Fosun only authorising another CB for the transfer window.
If they don't strengthen with more than one signing, I am not hopeful I will be watching Premiership football at Molineux next season.

21 Nov 2024 09:52:44
Some sources saying Wolves will only look at a CB who is available on a free transfer or a loan option, whereas John Percy saying that money will be available.

Let's wait and see.

22 Nov 2024 12:13:40
Can he play at the back? I shouldn't joke someone at the club might think that's a good idea.

15 Nov 2024 18:44:24
Barcelona apparently looking at Hugo Bueno

15 Nov 2024 12:31:30
Wolves defender Hugo Bueno is reportedly on Barcelona’s shortlist as the La Liga giants seek to add depth and quality at left-back.

18 Nov 2024 17:29:45
Dont we need a left back tho🤣

09 Nov 2024 13:07:21
Someone posted on X last night that David Moyes arrived at Birmingham Airport yesterday and will be present at today's match.

09 Nov 2024 13:57:44
Well, today is D Day.he has gone with 5 at the Back. Also Sarabia keeps his place. The manager has made his selection, will he be here at 5.00pm?

09 Nov 2024 14:13:23
Please not Sarabia!

09 Nov 2024 17:19:34
You were saying?

09 Nov 2024 18:36:34
Thats garbage.moyes would never be at the game.even just for his professional reputation.and I k ock sarabia but he does make intelligent runs.who is the lesser evil him or bellegarde.the win just papers over the cracks.we wer still garbage first half especially

10 Nov 2024 23:55:14
GON needs to go yes we beat Southampton but he doesn't know what to do with this squad and he will lose the morale of the squad the more this goes on.
We have an abundance of midfielders and forwards.
Whats striking is the teams doing well have loads of pace up front Forest, Newcastle, Villa and Liverpool have 6 forwards all with pace.
Maybe this is a reason some teams are struggling like Southampton, Wolves, Man U etc.
Personally I think Larsen isn't utilised effectively although the effort is there. He is a target man and we don't play crosses to him.
I'd like to see a cb come in as soon as possible Dendoncker would be a solid choice as he is good with the ball to feet and he is good at set pieces both defensively and attacking.Relatively cheap as well.
With regards to the manager I think we have to get someone that is able to go mid table and beyond that can attract different players to the club and that would be flexible to different tactics so we move to a back 4 in the future but not this season.
I wouldn't touch Moyes, Potter, Benitez.
I would look at someone like Sergio Conceição. Rogue I know but he can bring the best out of some of the youngsters we have like Cunha, Larsen, Andre, Gomez, Forbs, Rodrigo Gomez, RAN and Toti.
As he likes to overload when Porto attacked in his time there. And always leaves a threat up front similar to Cunha in his false 9 role for us last season.
But we can't leave it as it is in my opinion as from Fulham, Bournemouth and Everton we need 6 points.

12 Nov 2024 11:22:06
Madman I'm liking what you say, and agree on everything. Conceiro (? Spelling) as been my tip all along.

15 Nov 2024 01:33:38
The same Sergio Conceicao who's been tied with the Inter job and generally with some of the biggest clubs playing in the Euros?! Why exactly would he come to a club currently 19th in the table and with the 16th lowest wage budget in the league?! I like the idea but yet AGAIN it's another name that's frankly just not realistic! Peeps keep suggesting ambitious managers whilst seemingly forgetting that Lope walked for a reason! Sorry gents but there needs to a be a reality check on these pages, at this stage Sergio Concieao is about as realistic as us signing Talisca! Which to this day I'm still waiting for it to happen! 🤣

15 Nov 2024 01:42:05
Also Madman when you say he doesn't know what to do with this squad, just to check this is the same GON who did the double over Chelsea last season and beat Man City at home, right?! I mean, he seemed to know EXACTLY what to do with the squad on those match days didn't he?!

15 Nov 2024 06:13:48
Money talks. Which top manager would risk his career by coming to a club near the bottom of the league.

Didn't Lopetegui do just that for the princely sum of £8m a year.

15 Nov 2024 07:30:45
He did Wandering, after three attempts to sign him and then walked cause we lacked ambition, which didn't happen in a vacuum! Other managers would have seen that and it will make them even more cautious! Money does talk but like you said yourself it's not in short supply in Saudi but they aren't all heading there are they?! Cause money might talk but a career is not that long so they all need to pick there clubs VERY carefully! Would you pick us over Inter if you were Sergio?! 🤣

15 Nov 2024 08:46:10
As they say 'If you don't ask, you don't get'.

If the problems were as bad as you suggest and were indeed the driving force behind Nuno leaving and Bruno Lage not being supported, and were common knowledge (you would have thought that Lopetegui had spoken to Jorge Mendes as they were close at the time and represents both of the previous managers, you really do have to ask why on earth he took the job in the 1st place?

Maybe the finances weren't as bad as the media portrayed or he went for the money. Either way we don't know.

15 Nov 2024 08:49:48
But personally, I would look at Edin Terzic if we were to sack GON, however it looks like he's going to West Ham as a replacement for Lopetegui who is on the verge of being sacked.

15 Nov 2024 11:37:02
Madman did you say Dendonkey? I jest, never minded the fella but I don’t think he’s the solution to our defensive woes. I don’t know what the answer is personally, we need more cover at the back that’s for sure but even someone new needs blooding in, January panic buying by GoN or by someone else it’s a gamble and all we can do is hope it’s the right gamble at the time.
Given the choice I’d prefer Potter over others and despite how things are going currently I’m willing to back GoN to prove he is what we thought he could be, a decent manager.
Watching Ait Nouri on Saturday was one of the most infuriating things to see this season so far, all the talent but he doesn’t look like his head is in the game, Lemina was dropping his head as well at times, painful.
Cunha is world class on a side note and I really like Larsson. If we can keep hold of them and build around them I think we have a chance, just need to steady the ship and utilise what we have.

TLDR; I’m in the potter camp if we do change manager

04 Nov 2024 19:54:40
I Hlhave been reliably informed Shi and Hobbs are ready to release GON but are unable to agree terms with manager at top of replacement list, no name but he's currently out of work is what I've been told

04 Nov 2024 22:05:39
Penny pinching at its finest.

05 Nov 2024 06:28:25
Peter, I would rather Fosun finally sack Shi.
Changing the manager will not change the culture of the last few seasons.

05 Nov 2024 10:17:02
What decent Manager would want to join this circus?…it’s absolutely farcical!

05 Nov 2024 13:01:51
Are they looking for a head coach or a manager? "Unable to agree terms" probely answer the question.

05 Nov 2024 19:40:46
Have a job attracting a decent coach (manager), the ground is run down and being sadly neglected. A coat of paint would go a long way, old good would be good instead of an insipid yellow. Won't win games but gives fans something to be proud of.

05 Nov 2024 20:41:09
Sorry meant Old Gold

06 Nov 2024 11:36:02
Not necessarily financial renumeration agreement, it could be transfer finance or control related.

06 Nov 2024 16:57:29
O'Neil should just go. his time is up. just isn't good at this level.
To be fair ,we have never been the same since Nuno left. Good luck to him at Forest what a brilliant job he is doing there.

07 Nov 2024 12:31:34
First post for a long time. When RAN played against Brighton he played well and scored a goal. His name was probably is of the first on the team sheet for the Palace game.and he played crap. Is that GON's fault?

During the Palace game the fans made it clear they were not happy with his subsitutions, personaly I would have left Doyle on. A lot of posts on here day we should not play a back four but when I watch Match of the Day most teams set up a back four,

not that I know a lot about set ups. In my days of a season ticket holder we played two full backs, three half backs, big Frank in the middle and a forward line. It seemed to work well in those days.
PS. Where are you Phil?

07 Nov 2024 19:07:33
Well, nuno would never have left if fosun had given him the investment needed to improve the squad.as he worked wonders with such a small squad. wev been mismanaged from the top for years and the blame lies at fosuns feet simple as that.moyes has been mentioned but knowing a lot of whu fans.they cudnt wait to get rid.hes just another merry go round manager.i guess wel see.

07 Nov 2024 20:36:21
Everyone is a manager when things aren’t working

03 Nov 2024 18:35:38
Has anyone heard about an alleged bust up in the dressing room with GON and Johnson?

05 Nov 2024 15:40:11
You mean Johnstone, goalkeeper?

07 Nov 2024 19:55:25
Yes my phone autocorrected my spelling.

30 Oct 2024 19:04:36
Express and Star saying we’re looking at getting a winger in January

31 Oct 2024 13:17:24
Semedo will be allowed to leave for free in the summer as Wolves not willing to pay his wages at his age and going forward.

03 Nov 2024 20:03:51
Corse they will.and not replace him.and probly play doc ther.pathetic

28 Oct 2024 15:16:33
O'neil got a warning from the FA about his comments about the officials after the City match.

In truth the FA knew he was right and knew they would lose if he appealed.

28 Oct 2024 19:18:12
Just read from a reliable source david moyes will be replacing o'neil if and when he gets fired

28 Oct 2024 19:19:29
Info from mick Brown football insider

30 Oct 2024 11:15:29
David Moyes's teams usually seemed to get the better of Wolves. Maybe that is why he might be in the running if GON gets sacked. I rate Gary highly but his relative inexperience in the PL may be costing Wolves.

02 Nov 2024 06:31:34
I agree DT, O'Neil will be a top manager, if the next 2 games go badly, unlikely to be at Wolves. Shi always needs his scapegoat.