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15 Nov 2021 18:15:35
Wonder if we are interested in Tarkowski a few things in the press today but I suppose would he come in January probably a few will try but the temptation of a free with a signing on fee at the end of the season will no doubt be in his mind.

Ken68

{Ed002's Note - James Tarkowski (CB) options are Newcastle and Wolves.}


1.) 15 Nov 2021 18:44:37
Would be a decent signing and a proven CB. I can’t see Burnley wanting to lose him on a free.


2.) 15 Nov 2021 21:56:31
You would have to be disappointed not at least to be in for a player like him.

Talking of things we don't want to miss out on. Watched Vitinha for Portugal under 21. Looked outstanding. Really hope that doesn't turn into a Pedro Goncalves situation. I fear it might. Could always go back in for him.


3.) 15 Nov 2021 23:03:21
Tommy. The thing is as I see it there's only so much in the pot. Sanches 25m a starter. Vitinha 20m. Is he a starter? I don't think so 10m on the bench then yes.
Tarkowski Jan say 5m yes please.
Bottman Jan 35m. I know value when I see it. My opinion obviously!


4.) 16 Nov 2021 07:20:08
Yeah completely agree Ken there is only so much we can do. I think we could have got Vitinha for way less than 20. I don't think we will actually spend big in Jan.

It rarely presents much in the way of value for money.


5.) 16 Nov 2021 10:33:10
Tommy - I admit I haven't seen him play for the U21s and so can't comment on that performance but would note that he has always been superb in junior football - when he was with us he ran the show for Portugal against England U21 - but to date he never reproduced that in adult football (similar to Silva).
Will he ever? For £20m that is a gamble we simply can't afford to take.
If we could buy him (and had bought Silva) for the sort of money we sold Owen or bought Yerson then maybe it would be an idea worth persuing.
Ps Yes to Tarkowski but fear that as Ed2 notes Newcastle will be in for him as well and will offer far more in wages than we will even though you are getting him way below value and so could afford a higher wage ( at the risk of upsrtting thr dressing room mind!)


6.) 16 Nov 2021 13:54:57
I too haven't seen too much of him this season but there must be a reason why he has only started 3 of the 15 games Porto have played. No goals, assists or big chances created during the 416 minutes he's been on the pitch.


7.) 16 Nov 2021 15:53:05
As an addendum to my comments above. I have previously mentioned Lingard who at 15m presents a bargain who would be a starter pretty much anywhere in the prem except where he is obviously! Problem only being salary but compared to Vitinha who to me is a lightweight its a no brainer.


8.) 16 Nov 2021 17:11:50
Ken - he is currently on 75kpw allegedly. If we can't pay that wage, (or indeed even a slightly higher figure!) to a player who would (if his time at WH is anything to go by) take us to another level - probably more than earning his wage just in the increased prize money we would earn then we have real problems and no ambition.
Sadly as you say it is a no brainer so there will be numerous clubs in for him and some may well be willing not just to pay him the 75k pw + I mentioned but in fact far far more which we probably can't or shouldn't do. Consequently I think it will be hard to persuade either him or indeeed any players of that quality to join us now.
To get back to where we were, (competing for Europa qualification) will now cost far far more than it would have cost us to push on and reach Champions league football.
Stich in time saves nine or penny wise pound foolish both sum it up perfectly.
We were so close but I fear it may never come again in my lifetime as the gap to the now big 3 is wider than ever due to the money differential and Arsenal who we had clearly overtaken have finally, on the back of a good youth program, recovered to some extent whilst the remaining members of the so called big 6, Man U and Spurs, who we were competing with continue to throw cash at the problem on a scale we can't even imagine. Just to rub salt into the wound several more clubs WH, Leicester and maybe even Brighton, etc etc (who, perhaps with the exception of Leicester, weren't even in our rear view mirror we were so far ahead of them) are pushing for the European places and it is hard to argue that they (or at least some of them) won't end the season above us.


9.) 16 Nov 2021 21:13:12
Linked in rumours with John Swift from Reading. Really like him. He was a huge prospect coming through the Chelsea ranks. Now 26 years old and looks quite a different player in recent years. Looks to have bulked up a bit and consequently stronger. Started this season, his last in contract at Reading, really strongly, with goals and assists. Plays a similar role to Dendonker and I think looks a better prospect for our style of play. Would also make a good financial deal, as Dendonker would demand a bigger fee than we would have to pay for Swift.


10.) 17 Nov 2021 09:31:03
future. Put quite a long comment on here about this last night where on earth it's gone I've no idea! Not the first time this has happened but anyway I agree with you on this. Plus I wrote a very long piece on it so I'm not best pleased but heh that's life! Can't be bothered doing it all again.

{Ed001's Note - was it this one?

16 Nov 2021 20:43:14

future. Shock I agree with you! The top six boat has sailed sadly. The reality being Seville proved a catalyst for a number of things. Though prior to that the loss of Thelwell who was the buffer and the glue. He kept Shi and Nuno apart. Seville fueled Nuno to push on but Shi in reality I knew the money wasn't there for a big push I think he wanted to consolidate hence the big spend on a young player for the future but also one quality player to partly fuel Nuno. As we know it didn't work! For Shi though I think he was very brave in giving the job to Lage which to me was a massive gamble, staked his job on it think. There were safer hands out there! I'm very impressed with Bruno so far and obviously support him 100%. I hope we significant funds to invest in the players that Bruno wants in January even though it's not the best time to buy historically. I fear though it will come at the expense of losing Traore who I will miss very much. I think he's on his way pretty sure his head has been turned he's clearly unlikely to sign the new contract. If that is the case now's the time to sell his value is only going to go down now! A massive shame really.


If it is not then the comment never came through. The likelihood is your internet dropped at some point and so it got lost. It used to happen all the time in the old days of phones as the connections were so poor.}


11.) 17 Nov 2021 10:19:31
Thistle I have also seen this rumour and it sounds interesting particularly as you would hope, given his contract situation, we can get a bargain.
Are you suggesting though that we sell Dendonker to fund this?
Surely we don't need to do that?
Plus as I said to Longmynd Wolf in an earlier thread I think we need to add 3 net not gross so swapping Dendonker for Swift numbers wise gets us nowhere


12.) 17 Nov 2021 11:06:17
You have to smile when you see some posts, seeking out bargains and value for money signings on behalf of our owners, makes no difference to fans What transfer and signing on fees are or any other financial arrangements, they didn’t seem too concerned about how their customers are fixed for cash when they increased ticket prices and quietly upped their car park charges to ten pounds, could ask the question “What have they done for us”, showed they could mount a challenge if they wanted to, then settled for glad to be here mid - table mediocrity.


13.) 17 Nov 2021 11:20:05
Ken - Bizarelly I think Shi was wrong if he thought we couldn't afford to push on. In fact I think it has cost us money, (a substantial reduction in revenues from prize money, tv and the commercial exploitation of the brand etc etc) not to have done so - even before you count the diminution of the value of the club.
I also actually don't think it did need a lot of money - just well spent money and in a previous thread I detailed what we could have done with the money we did spend that summer (note there were a lot of players sold that summer that would have assisted our move to the next step). Remember that year we had a really strong side - its still not a bad one today despite the failure to spend well over the last couple of years - so the step up required was a v modest one
In any case although we didn't buy a CB, CM or CF that now pretty much everyone agrees we should have we did as you say spend pretty chunky amounts JUST badly massively overpaying for Semedo, Hoever and most spectacularly Silva.
Losing Thelwell, Dalrymple and then Nuno was also a disaster.
To lose one is unfortunate to lose all three? - Ask Oscar Wilde!
The idea that you can consolidate is a tough one as well - everyone is pushing really hard, so standing still really means going backwards.
But we have had this debate a thousand times just like the Traore one. There are various threads on here about him even now as he is the ultimate marmite player.
I have stated my views on him, (his potential, end product etc etc) a million times which are in line with the views of the major clubs in Europe and their managers.
If he leaves you fear that just like Jota he will blossom and then even his harshest critics will be able to tell that we gave away a world class player that we may nver see the like of again at Wolves.
Ouch!
But yes Lage has done v well and given funds this Jan we may regain some of the ground lost -but top 6 let alone top 4 now seems unlikely?


14.) 17 Nov 2021 11:28:46
Ed001 yes thank you that is the one! I wondered where on earth it had gone!

Oxley. I like a significant number on here post because I see it as a group of people who like the club but for whatever reason like speculating about the club without any expectations of any of these things happening. Obviously I only speak for myself above all who does it harm? No one, bit of fun! I don't forecast stupid unattainable prices plus if the owners ever took any notice of anything I were to say I'd be shocked. Its a business is it not! It exists to make money that's all.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know where it went, sorry. It just appeared in the list we have of previous posts. I will get Ed33 to have a look and see if there is an issue.}


15.) 17 Nov 2021 12:16:04
Oxley totally understand your frustrations and view re the relationship of the club with its fans.
Sadly though football is not a local community thing any more with the butcher owning the club and the players being lads who the fans went to school with and who live in modest houses in the area.
It is a multi trillion pound global industry whose owners, players, managers etc live, (as a result of the countless millions thrown at them), in a gilded palace far away from reality and us!
This means the key man at the club is no longer the star striker, the captain or even the manager but the CEO who organises the millions/ (or even billions) required to compete at the top level these days.
So to your point sadly it is all about the money and its careful/clever use so its no surprise posters comment on it.
In days gone by a Brian Clough or a Bobby Robson could take a modest side and make them winners - not any more! All (well virtually all) the trophies go to the big money teams.
If we want trophies you must manage the money!
For us yes the last couple of years haven't been as succesful as the 2 or 3 that preceeded them and I have (regularly despite being castigated for it) pointed out Jeff's failings.
But we are still in the game and Lage is doing ok with what he was left with and as a fan I still (perhaps foolishly) believe/hope that the Future will be old gold - (not Chelsea blue or Man U red!)


16.) 17 Nov 2021 12:25:28
Ed001 no worries. I know the internet didn't drop because it conks the tv when it does. As she who must be was watching and I had the use of the laptop (for a change) instead of trying to follow my own thread on my phone!

{Ed001's Note - wow mate, you were spoilt!!}


17.) 17 Nov 2021 12:46:31
future. Quite I don't think we were that far away. I didn't understand our buying policy that summer not much logic to it. Semedo though has become far better this season though maybe took a long time to settle. Remember Henderson's first season at Liverpool, fans I knew didn't have a good word to say about him him, then! One of my oldest friends who is a Sunderland supporter just said wait and see. Semedo seems to have become a good club man supporting young players, good for him.
Hindsight is wonderful and we can speculate all we like I just hope they make a difference in January.
Swift is interesting a rare thing a chance to get British player with little prem experience and normally you'd have to pay a premium to find out if he's good enough. It's a rare opportunity to not have to spend a fortune to find out though there could be a lot of competition for him.


18.) 17 Nov 2021 13:11:06
Ed001 yes I know awfully generous of her I thought! Generally if I'm good she allows me to drive her wherever she wants to go! Never wanted to drive purely I reckon to avoid becoming the designated driver! No fool is she!

{Ed001's Note - that's so she can make sure you can't drink, after all she wouldn't want you to go enjoying yourself or anything.}


19.) 17 Nov 2021 13:40:53
Ed001 doesn't work just means we have to find the car the day after!

{Ed001's Note - then she has a nice ready-made excuse to be angry with you. It is win-win for her!}


20.) 17 Nov 2021 15:37:08
Ed001. One is always in it, it's just the depth that varies!

{Ed001's Note - fair point, it is amazing the lengths a woman can go to in order to be angry with you over something that you have no control over. My friend's wife didn't speak to him for a week because she dreamed about him kissing another woman. A whole week before he even found out why she was giving him the cold shoulder!}


21.) 17 Nov 2021 17:15:20
Ed001. That's a new one, mind you after 43 years I'm inclined to believe anything! I did recently read a sentence that had "wedded" and "bliss" in it. Never thought that happened or was allowed for that matter! I just keep my mouth shut first thing and see how the land lies first.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, I think he would have called that week about as close to wedded bliss as you can get. I find it helps to apologise early, just in case and let them wonder why I am apologising. It keeps my gf busy trying to figure out what I have done wrong so you can get angry with me, but as she can't find out what it is she is extra nice to try and get me to lower my guard and admit my indiscretion.}


22.) 17 Nov 2021 17:53:23
Good luck with that one, don't hold your breath though. Generally I just accept I won't win, they can go on ad infinitum.

{Ed001's Note - fair point.}


23.) 17 Nov 2021 20:43:14
future. Shock I agree with you! The top six boat has sailed sadly. The reality being Seville proved a catalyst for a number of things. Though prior to that the loss of Thelwell who was the buffer and the glue. He kept Shi and Nuno apart. Seville fueled Nuno to push on but Shi in reality I knew the money wasn't there for a big push I think he wanted to consolidate hence the big spend on a young player for the future but also one quality player to partly fuel Nuno.

As we know it didn't work! For Shi though I think he was very brave in giving the job to Lage which to me was a massive gamble, staked his job on it think. There were safer hands out there! I'm very impressed with Bruno so far and obviously support him 100%. I hope we significant funds to invest in the players that Bruno wants in January even though it's not the best time to buy historically.

I fear though it will come at the expense of losing Traore who I will miss very much. I think he's on his way pretty sure his head has been turned he's clearly unlikely to sign the new contract. If that is the case now's the time to sell his value is only going to go down now! A massive shame really.


 

 

15 Jul 2021 18:25:18
Nice to see the announcement of the signing of Jose Sa on a 5 year contract.
That means so far cost wise the outs and ins about balance out. I certainly hope that's not it! All very quiet on the gossip pages as well. I know they always keep things quiet but after the disaster of the last couple of transfer windows a few comments from Jeff Shi as to where we are going would be nice. I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned!

Ken68

1.) 15 Jul 2021 18:45:35
Welcome Jose Sa, didn't see that one coming Ken 🙄.


2.) 15 Jul 2021 19:13:04
Yeah complete surprise NikNak! 😀😀😀.


3.) 15 Jul 2021 19:20:52
Check the till, Ken. We sold Patricio and bought a younger model and still got change of £3mil. Cool or what?!
Should we let ITK know gently, or wait for him to read it on News Now? I don't want him to not be in the know. He can then tell us.


4.) 15 Jul 2021 19:26:20
Just like trincao big shock.


5.) 15 jul 2021 19:31:29
think most of the non actives some will still be on holidays mate it will probably start the mad rush after a couple of friendlys were bruno will get to see who he needs to get in if our squad ain't up to what he wants the more you read about bruno the more excited i'm getting the calibre of players that sing his praises and say he is a excellent manager and coach is amazing good things are coming.


6.) 15 Jul 2021 19:46:20
Deep we'd already spent 4.5m on a centre back. Roughly balanced so far!


7.) 15 Jul 2021 19:53:31
Fingers crossed you're right giants, but I tend now to avoid the opinion, ITK, and would be great. Of course they are all clickbait and I know it's taken me a while but I've got there in the end. I only take notice when the reports come from someone sitting in a tree outside Compton!


8.) 15 Jul 2021 20:08:49
We are a month out from our opening match with the foxes, Jeff Shi and staff really need to close out any other transfers coming out way so they can join in and build as much chemistry as possible.


9.) 15 Jul 2021 20:19:44
Rumours of Nuno after Boly and Podence. After Spurs failed chase for Kounde from Sevilla.

£25m for Podence apparently.

Thinking about it would fans accept £40m for Boly and Podence?

I think that would be a great way of generating funds to think that's £40m towards an experienced CB and CM.
Palhinha and Tarkowski or Dunk anyone?


10.) 15 Jul 2021 21:11:38
Siiisenor my thoughts exactly. Don't want an undercooked start to the season, I suspect its going to be tough one. I hope I'm wrong!


11.) 15 Jul 2021 22:46:27
Ken - RAN cost circa £10 didn't he so with the new CB and the 2GK trades we are fair bit out of pocket so far - or are their other trade i'm missing?
Madman - yes to the pair but suspect that they might cost upto £40m each not the pair.
Podence is a difficult one to call - he was injured/ out of sorts for much of last season, is lightweight and frustratingly inconsistent but on his day - which he showed particualrly in the early part of the season - he is brilliant and v v creative - possibly a little out of step with most of our team perhaps but brilliant and would be v hard to replace. so £25m might be light for his undeniable potential.
Boly suffered from C.V. last year and struggled to get his mojo back - was that the start of an age related decline or a short term blip.
He is the best out and out defender at the club so would like to keep and add to rather than sell and def only would sell if we get a gtee'd player like the two you mention.
Given his age £15m might be fair but if he gets back to where he was that too might be light
But Madman i'm a Wolves fan so undoubtedly biased!


12.) 15 Jul 2021 22:56:54
Ken68
I agree! It's not just wolves though, anybody rumouring our players like Arsenal, or Tottenham either need to make a serious bid or stop lingering around because that's stopping us from making transfers. Tbf the season might start off a little shaky since we have some tough opponents the first 3 weeks and we have a new coach, but hey if we could manage to pull some victories that would be great!


13.) 15 Jul 2021 23:33:05
TFIOG
In
RAN-£10m
Mosquera-£4.5m
Sa-£6.8m
Trincao-Loan

Out
Patricio-£10m

Its interesting how the club is looking to refocus the funds and salaries to other parts of the squad.

They have replaced Patricio. Found a back up for Neto on loan. Brought a promising CB from Columbia. And finalised a deal for a young LWB that did okay on loan last season.

But what does Bruno want now? Surely he has plans on his defence and midfield. Not forgetting all the forwards we have been linked with.

I think the club have been true to there word saying they need to be 'creative'. They are trying to save money on young player loans made last season. And move previous large salaries to reinvest funds more evenly through squad.
I expect Moutinho, Podence and Boly to leave as part of this restructuring.
I'm unsure on Neves and Traore i'm guessing its down to contract and whether they are in brunos plans.


14.) 16 Jul 2021 08:44:50
Madman - you can't argue with that. All the deals so far look smart/ creative if you like.
But as you say what is key is the big 2 deals still needed at CB and CM.
Yes Moutinho will surely leave freeing up a big slab of salary but not sure we have the bodies to let 3 go and only 2 come in.
We need a bigger squad so I d keep the other 2 and try and add at least the 2 mentioned.
But we all know that will cost money we may or may not have.
Hence this summer we may need to be creative again or look at very short term sol'ns until the finances are ( if they are as the noise intimates in a poor place) sorted out again. Are there any frees out there or players at the end of their careers available for nominal sums looking or one last pay day - (we can use Moutinho salalry? ) Giroud for example would have been great. I know i'm undoubtedly overly optimistic if I think that sort of player will come to Wolves sadly.
Thrashing about randomly and in no particular order and limiting myself to Prem league players (as I have no knowledge of overseas football) now that CP have bought the young lad from Chelsea Guehi, Dann and Cahil will not be resigned. Could they do a job for a year maybe. Sean Duffy is back frm Celtic and surely won't get a game at Brighton even if White is sold - cheaper than Dunk for a year?
I know these are bargain basement players but if we now have no money?
Of course if we have money then we can raise our expectations and the 2 you mentioned before Tarkowski and Dunk would be great.
Lindelof or Laporte might be a bit of a stretch but Bailly is prob available and Ake could be a steal.
In Mid Ziyech is available as surely is RLC and others, Gallagher? . At MU Greenwood or James might be sent out on loan for game time?
Milner might be allowed to leave on a free for solid service if Liverpool add players and surely we would be favourably looked on- might ask for Phillips on loan perhaps as well?
Sorry not that well thought out but its not easy to find quality players for nowt.
If I know of them so do all 19 of the other Prem League teams.


15.) 16 Jul 2021 10:17:37
future. I apologise for forgetting RAN, pretty careless mislaying a wing backisnt it! Slapped wrist for that guys. But I guess the general direction of the conversation is still that we appear to be suffering from short arms and deep pockets so far. Though if fit we can put a decent first team out there. Let's hope no one gets injured!


16.) 16 Jul 2021 10:56:59
TFIOG
I don't think we would only buy two players. We would buy a known cb and cm. Then supplement squad further with players from benfica, Barcelona.
Alot depends on Moutinho, Neves and Vitinha in midfield. One needs to give way for Vitinha. Or we leave Vitinha for the more experienced duo. I can see Wolves playing similar to England with either two holding midfielders one ball playing midfielder (Neves) and one ball winning midfielder (palhinha) . Then a box to box midfielder such as Gedson Fernandes. So in effect 4213 or a 433. Just so we still protect back 4.
Your right some of the players you mention are well worth a shout.
Id say Cahill, Dann, Milner and Duffy aren't even looked at due to age and wages for there age.
Laporte, Lindelof, Zouma, Ake, Bailly and Umtiti are dependant on those clubs finding replacements. Although I would argue this is a fantastic summer to buy great talent at good prices.
Dunk and Tarkowski obviously have a premium. Ben White would be amazing but his head is set on Arsenal.
Not sure how Ziyech would fit in with our forwards. Maybe a loan would be a good idea.
Dont forget we also have these academy players that need to make the step up as well:Marques, Otawosie, Morgan gibbs white.
Suppose the next two weeks we will see what the club are planning and how Bruno sets up his team.


17.) 16 Jul 2021 12:05:06
Madman, I'd be surprised if we didn't have a minimum of three academy players established in the first team squad this coming season, Otasowie, MGW and at least one other. But we are short of experienced quality players in certain positions. OK, such players might prefer more 'glamourous' clubs but we can offer an opportunity that bigger clubs can't, where they might never get a look in. Sign for Wolves, get plenty of starts, get noticed and if they really want, move on in 2/ 3 years. This process worked well for Jota, Jimenez, Traore and Neves. Playing for Wolves really elevated their profiles.


18.) 16 Jul 2021 12:51:43
Yes deep throat I agree. I think the clubs got to move the players on that they want to whilst also paying big for the players they need.
If they move on Boly, Podence, Cutrone, Mir, Moutinho.
It would be good to see one or two defenders mentioned above and
Palhinha with Vinicius. And maybe Robinson from fulham. For me that is the club rebalancing the squad.
But will the club spend more? Are any of those Bruno signings?
Not forgetting we are still after the young attackers from Santos and Benfica. All exciting in my opinion. And to think we may have jonny and Neto back by December.


19.) 16 Jul 2021 13:01:59
I also don't think bringing unproven players to the club is the problem. I enjoy watching the young players develop. Especially Jota and Neves even Neto. Its the fact some supporters have tasted success for the first time in years and want more. Which isn't a bad think of course I have that hunger for the club and community. But there is a massive gap between us and the top 6.Whether that is match day revenue, commercial revenue, success, and just having control over big decisions since 1992.
The club needs to gambke on some top players at some point. We have been linked to Ruben Dias, Pepe, Zinchenko, Kessie, Olmo even John stones and not completed the transfers for numerous reasons. That needs to change this summer for us to progress. We need European football each year for the next 4 years and a trophy would be a bonus that is success and increasing the profile of the club.


20.) 16 Jul 2021 13:06:06
good thread guys!


21.) 16 Jul 2021 18:01:44
Interesting to see that there are many comments about acquiring existing Premier league players but surely the last several years show that is just not how Fosun and their advisers work. Unless there is a complete about turn, any and all players brought in will be from further afield and probably a left field at that.


22.) 16 Jul 2021 20:13:50
Your right old wulf
Its just from rumours that they are available.
In reality can't see Brighton selling Dunk and Ben White. Maybe 1.
Laporte, Ake and Sterling were for sale from city earlier in the window not sure after Euros.
West Ham have been after Tarkowski for a while. So it seems he is available at the right fee.
Man utd are after Varane so youd assume Bailly or Lindelof will be available.
Davison Sanchez is available from Spurs. As they failed to do a swap plus money for Sevilla cb Kounde.
Barca have loads of players available as they need to cut the salary budget.
But you are rights there will be loads of players in Spain and Portugal we will be monitoring.


 

 

29 Jun 2021 11:33:42
Seems we have declined the option to sign Vitinha for 18m. Got something right then. I'm sure he may go on and be a great success but has not shown enough to be worth the money here. Good decision.

Ken68

1.) 29 Jun 2021 12:03:40
He's too lightweight for me Ken. I'd offer £5mil if we really want him but £18mil is ludicrous. It's the sort of money they put in loan contracts and hope the loan goes so well that we will pay it rather than return the player. Well, that tactic didn't work this time. Time for us to get lean and mean with transfer fees. We should keep our powder dry until Bruno is here.


2.) 29 Jun 2021 13:01:34
Ken - where are you seeing this. Various web sites are reporting conflicting stories.
Tend to agree with Deep that it is a silly price but there is obviously something there.

We were taking about Dion Sanderson earlier, (we could also include Ryan Giles here), we know he/ they can play adult football - been a success at Champ and Div 1 level - but don't know if he/ they can play Prem level football.
With these young lads RAN, Vitor and Silva they have/ had great records at youth level which Sanderson, (or Giles) doesn't but other than RAN in the latter half of the last season none of them have much if any adult football experience and it cannot be said they have proven that they can play adult football Note Vitor is the same age as Sanderson and Giles.


3.) 29 Jun 2021 13:11:54
sorry was editing and sent by mistake.
Was going to add we could perhaps try to find a rationale price for these transfers.
Sanderson is valued apparently at £2m. So how far from that should these lads be?
Youth football promise against lack of adult football - despite age in Vitor's case.
Also note the lad Liverpool bought the other day for £1.5m from Ghana appears to have more about him than all 3 of the guys we are talking about - sadly we have bought Silva so can't renegotiate that fee.
I would suggest £5m for Vitor, as Deep suggests, is toppy as an up front but I would include "add ons" to protect his selling club - although as they are the same team that gave us Silva they are many many millions up already!
For RAN I would actually go slightly above this level and possibly offer say €10 with add ons again
To put it in context if we buy both for the option prices we have to sell Neves to be square!


4.) 29 Jun 2021 13:38:48
What chance did he have really under Nuno who prefered his mates instead, there is negotiating room for Vinthia and I think we'll come to regret it if we don't sign him.
Same with RAN £20million is a bargain for the potential this lad has.


5.) 29 Jun 2021 15:23:30
future. my views on Sanderson on Banter page. At a sensible price Vitinha is worth a punt, not 18m same RAN. We paid 36m for potential last year! How much potential could we have bought for that I ask?
You pay up to maybe 10m for potential that's when it's worth a risk. We need a solid squad first then you can play silly b's.


6.) 29 Jun 2021 15:42:52
Maybe the difference can be negotiated with future add ons for some of these lads. If the selling club is confident it may be a deal that suits both parties.


7.) 29 Jun 2021 16:15:23
Ken - as usual I agree! Although I hope your 10 is € or even $ not £
Agree Man U, Chelsea etc can pay more but they have both a few hundred million more to play with each year and have already got a solid and deep squad - which we dont!


8.) 29 Jun 2021 21:20:29
future, I meant pence, sorry ha ha! You get the general point though. There are a lot of players available that have got to be worth a punt at the right price. Our only business so far has been done at that. Everything else is click bait!


9.) 30 Jun 2021 21:08:20
Allegedly now Newcastle, who are a Prem team like us, want Sanderson as well?
V odd situation.
If Newcastle think he is good enough are we sure we should be even considering selling him for what in effect is a few weeks wages for Fabio Silva.
It does show though what you should be paying for young prospects and its not £20m let alone £35m.


 

 

08 Jun 2021 10:31:37
Bruno has landed!
Bruno Laga's plane has landed at Halfpenny Green International Airport to be met by Jeff Shi and the massed ranks of fans! Just needs to grab a pen and sign up.

Ken68

1.) 08 Jun 2021 10:35:41
Who was the poster who claimed to be up a tree outside Compton? this reminded me of him/ her for some reason. Really made me chuckle.


2.) 08 Jun 2021 11:28:57
Debbie not me obviously. Me and up a tree is an alien concept. I've never wanted to know anything that badly!


3.) 08 Jun 2021 12:58:50
Certainly not me with my luck i'd fall out of the tree lol.


4.) 08 Jun 2021 14:46:47
You mean Wolverhampton Business airport! LOL Halfpenny green International best laugh today, only live a couple of miles away.


5.) 08 Jun 2021 15:00:10
I remember going to halfpenny green market or was it bobbington market?
as a kid with my mom and aunty.


6.) 08 Jun 2021 15:32:03
Phil you're correct the market was there!
Used to go onto the common where you could park up in the evening with girlfriend's, popular place. Not that I would ever comment on names or the purpose of said visits!
Youth and memories! Great times.


7.) 08 Jun 2021 15:46:14
They stopped it a few years ago Phil, used to have good airshows as well back in the 60's and 70's.


8.) 08 Jun 2021 15:50:23
Should have said its commonly known as Bobbington which is the village nearest to the Bridgnorth road. Halfpenny Green is the area around what was the Royal Oak pub, the other side of the airfield. The market seemed to use both terms Bobbington unofficially and Halfpenny Green officially.


9.) 08 Jun 2021 15:58:32
He came in yesterday to beat the 10 day quarantine. So not today. Several journalists tweeted yesterday around 7pm.

I don't know if it's true but it would make sense given the restrictions that commenced today.


10.) 08 Jun 2021 16:43:10
Nice one ken and Arddunby,
It was the mid 80's when I used to go happy memories of my mom and aunt when growing up.

Perfectlyflawed too.


11.) 08 Jun 2021 16:52:32
I used to go to that market too that was the first time I went on one of those bouncy castle things lol

Trying to imagine Jeff and Bruno having a go.


12.) 08 Jun 2021 18:13:31
I used to go to the air shows to see Red Arrows, Bobbington Common then stop at the Navigation for a drink.


 

 

03 Sep 2020 15:10:41
R. I. P Fred Davies.
Goalkeeper when I first started supporting Wolves. Respect and condolences to his friends and family.

Ken68

{Ed002's Note - Fred Davies was one of teh Wolves players that played for Los Angeles Wolves in the United Soccer Association. When I was a lot younger I did go and see my local side (Golden Gate Gales who were in reality Den Haag) play - this would be 1967.}


1.) 03 Sep 2020 16:28:18
Interesting Ed. That sounds like the tournament Wolves went on to win under the moniker Los Angeles Wolves beating Aberdeen 6 -5 in the final.


2.) 03 Sep 2020 16:42:38
Ed002 yep, one of the many attempts to get soccerball! going in the states.


3.) 03 Sep 2020 17:49:49
If my memory serves me, a young Frank Munro was playing for Aberdeen in that 1967 final - playing midfield / inside forward at that point.


4.) 03 Sep 2020 19:31:56
I think you're correct on that one. What a fine player Frank Munro was! You wouldn't want to argue with him back then. Passed away about 10 years ago I think.


 

 

 

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16 Jan 2022 09:24:08
I wonder if the Premier League will extend the season so Arsenal can fit their games in! (I am joking, send players on loan then can't play. Rubbish!)

Ken68

{Ed077's Note - Burnley are in a similar situation too. They've played 5 games less than Man City


 

 

15 Jan 2022 19:31:34
What a good job our team did today it was never going to be easy against Southampton and to be honest a very average referee.

Credit to Coady for getting the players to move away and talk to the ref to get the VAR involved to get the penalty even though I was a bit surprised we got it and Raul took it really well.

Very surprised to see Toti Gomes start the game as probably most people were but the best praise I can give him is you didn't see any difference in our normal performance. Pleased to see the lads go to him at the end, he did very well. Maybe his passing wasn't great but was anyone's today. Defensively he was solid.

I've seen Donck has had a lot of criticism mainly I think because he's not Neves! He's never going to be he does a different job mainly breaking up play and winning the ball for others to play. So a lot of it is a bit unfair I think.

Sa was excellent as usual. At first I thought he should have got the free kick they scored but having seen it from behind I don't think anyone could have saved it, swerving away from him.

Nice to see Adama score though at the time I was still calling him names for the chance he missed a minute or so before! He took this chance really well. I do wish he'd sign that news contract and stay, he looks like he enjoys it at the Mol!

Here's hoping we can get the result wed like next week at Brentford we owe them a beating.

I wonder what they will do with Toti now, he's certainty given them something to think about anyway!

Ken68

1.) 15 Jan 2022 20:01:34
I hope we keep Toti for the rest of the season as the reports from Switzerland were that he's been ready for the step up for awhile so would be good to see another youngster getting good game time for us.


2.) 15 Jan 2022 20:39:18
We had 3 shouts at the penalty bar could take its pick podence jiminez and ait Nouri were fouled


3.) 16 Jan 2022 09:21:22
Born, I was surprised because we never get them not because I didn't think it was!


 

 

15 Jan 2022 14:19:01
No Neves in the squad! I hope he is just injured and not my worst thought!

Ken68

1.) 15 Jan 2022 14:40:05
I'm sure your thoughts are the same as mine Ken, marcel is missing too though, could be cv.


2.) 15 Jan 2022 14:44:50
Me too Ken, I wonder if any ITKs have an angle?


3.) 15 Jan 2022 15:06:17
It's covid Ken mate.


4.) 15 Jan 2022 15:06:18
Neves has tested positive for COVID


5.) 15 Jan 2022 16:25:14
Thanks for that, dare I say, not really missed today. Everything crossed!


6.) 15 Jan 2022 17:03:01
Another 3 points guys


7.) 15 Jan 2022 17:31:52
Great 3 points today against a strong Southampton side
Toti looked liked he'd playing there all season


8.) 15 Jan 2022 18:06:56
Excellent result against an in form side with a couple of our key players missing. let's get the 3 or 4 wins to guarantee safety asap and see where we are with about 10 to play.


9.) 15 Jan 2022 22:16:56
We greatly missed his midfield control in my view Wimborne and I think this lead to the Saints having many more chances than we normally allow.


 

 

13 Jan 2022 14:53:42
Re Adama Traore I actually wonder at the intelligence of the advice he gets from his agent. Talk about the new contract for him has been going on for what, 18 months? Apparently we were offering around an extra 50k a week so if he'd signed he'd have made around 4 million extra in that time. Would he be worth any more than the 20 million being quoted? Actually I doubt it frankly. As much as I love watching him crowd off their feet, great to watch! But everywhere he's played the comments are always about the lack of end product. That is still the same. As much as I want him to stay if he goes to Spurs and Conte then so be it. All I will say if Conte can turn him into either a wingback or a world beater then he deserves to be called a brilliant coach, but I have my doubts.
Anyway I still think his agent is a bit dumb!

Ken68

1.) 13 Jan 2022 15:59:50
I think agents often are responsible for players getting unsettled/not signing contracts etc.


2.) 13 Jan 2022 17:34:39
I completely agree Ken and I actually think the case is even stronger than you say! So as you say I believe he was on £40/50k a week and we've been offering 70-100k week (probs nearer the £100k by the most recent offer). As you say that basically equates to making an extra £4m in the last two years. Now the argument from his POV of not signing was probs always with an eye on a move but that's why it was short sighted cause he could have signed and STILL got the move! Let's be honest we saw with Jota that if we are offered even a half decent wedge (£40m) then we take the money. So he could have got his extra £4m (plus substantial signing on fee I might add) and had things gone to plan probs STILL got his £40m move to Spurs/WHU come the end of this season! Also in this scenario we would have made a fair return, unlike what is actually likely to happen!
Not just that but when he got that move Adama would have been in an EVEN stronger position for an even bigger ​wage as he would have been coming from a contract on £100k a week rather than £50k! Like you say just poor advice, seems to be a regular problem these days look at Docs! I think a lot of agents just see their next signing on fee with any move more often than not, it's shameless ?


3.) 13 Jan 2022 18:19:17
BB agreed! Someone is a bit of round thing on a door! Best not say it I guess!


4.) 14 Jan 2022 06:21:39
He has reportedly changed agents to Jorge Mendes.


5.) 14 Jan 2022 09:00:13
wittonian. He switched to Uncle Jorge about 18 months ago. Still pretty dumb though imo how to keep yourself on less than you could be. Still Jeff can count it.


6.) 14 Jan 2022 10:58:10
We payed 18 million for him had 4 years out of him and I think you all have it wrong he will end up at Barcelona no brainer were he first started I really don't think unless it's 40 million plus we are that stupid to sell him to a rival for penny's sod it I'd rather keep him for his 18 months contract then let him go for nothing


7.) 14 Jan 2022 11:42:50
Agree with you GAG.


8.) 14 Jan 2022 12:41:26
I agree with your sentiment GAG but I'm afraid sentiments don't pay the bills. Don't forget we had a sanction last FFP check, there's absolutely no way they will be letting an asset like Adama walk for free. Yes £20m is poor business but it's a position we've put ourselves in through poor transfer/contract management. I hope I'm wrong but I'd be amazed if he's not sold within this or the next window. Just don't think we are at a place yet where we can just write off £20m, how would we afford to replace him exactly?


9.) 14 Jan 2022 14:00:47
His asset value will be around 3m now so if sold for 20m we sit on an ffp profit of 17m. I think that is how it works! Future will tell us I'm sure, he knows all about this stuff, sadly I don't! Maybe he will come on and explain it again.


10.) 14 Jan 2022 14:42:39
Probably more than 3m Ken maybe closer to 6 based on 20m and a 5 year deal meaning a 14m profit, but yes I believe you are correct with your explanation.


11.) 14 Jan 2022 20:12:50
He's going nowhere,he will sign a new contract,get a pay rise,score 6 goals in next three games,everyone's a winner,??????


12.) 15 Jan 2022 00:16:51
" if it is good for the club and if it is good for the player." so stays and has a blistering 2nd half to the season, goal + assist every other game, Barcelona take notice, swap for Trincao in the summer, sorted.


13.) 15 Jan 2022 00:39:37
Ken addressing the numbers and nothing else I believe Arddunby is correct.
We signed him for £18m circa 3.5 years ago on a 5 year contract so £3.6m a year amortisation, (18/5) means he is now in the books for roughly £5.4m.
If sold for £20m we make a profit of just over £14m.


14.) 15 Jan 2022 10:06:01
future thanks! See I do take notice I wasn't far out! One day I'll get the hang of it.
Let's have another win today it's a good habit to have.


15.) 15 Jan 2022 12:28:10
future, keeping your powder dry then.


 

 

25 Dec 2021 00:21:36
As we have just arrived on a very early Christmas Day I'd like to wish all our Eds on here a wonderful day and year ahead. Thank you very much for your sterling work throughout the year helping certainly me keep my sanity and in touch mostly with like minded people where we can debate matters around our football team. It's a great way to take at least my mind off the horrid covid thing, a little escape. Thank you Eds for the job you do for us. Top job guys!???

Ken68

{Ed001's Note - thank you Ken, I look forward to many more discussions with you mate. Merry Christmas.}


1.) 25 Dec 2021 09:27:18
Merry Christmas ? Ken
Ed001

{Ed001's Note - Merry Christmas to you too Phil, I hope you are enjoying the holidays mate.}


2.) 25 Dec 2021 10:36:42
Well said guys,best of wishes to all,I enjoy all our banter,it's good to swap thoughts,makes this time of uncertainty,more manageable,keep posting my friends ??


3.) 25 Dec 2021 11:23:05
Cheers Ed001 certainly going to enjoy my break from work.

Certainly will enjoy posting and reading Greyleg mate my legend ?

Chuffed my booked Xmas Dinner at the pub with my bro is going ahead.

Enjoy ?


4.) 25 Dec 2021 13:31:06
Merry Christmas all.


5.) 25 Dec 2021 14:14:46
Merry Christmas. Enjoy your lunch Phil. Steady on the ale its a long day! ???


6.) 25 Dec 2021 14:48:27
Tks to you all for the Chat, humour (Phil cartwheeling across the Midlands?) and all the reminiscing this year.
Its been a tough year with the virus ruining the best laid plans but hopefully (possibly?) we will be back to some sort of normality by this time next year and I can go on hols with my boy (looking forward to Dubai Ed 001).
Cheers enjoy!


7.) 25 Dec 2021 22:28:16
Cheers Phil,hope you and your bruv had a super Xmas lunch,
My day went pearshaped,thought my granddaughter was coming to visit,but her mum tested positive for COVID,gutted,ruined Xmas for me,but thank goodness for facetime technology. Let's hope new year better for all of us. X


8.) 26 Dec 2021 09:38:31
Sorry to hear that pal fingers crossed she will be OK and hopefully you will see your granddaughter ASAP.

Thanks I had lovely dinner.

Hopefully we will see the mighty wolves win our next match I'm not sure who it is think its The Arsenal.
COYW


9.) 26 Dec 2021 12:36:35
Thanx Phil. Yes it's arsenal. I'm sure it's early kick off
Coyw.


10.) 26 Dec 2021 17:05:30
Amazon 13:30 greyleg, I hope everything still allowed everyone to enjoy the day. Poor old Leicester and Norwich will have had the tinsel taken off their trees. Let's hope arsenal's baubles will be smashed come Tuesday. Looking forward to this one, covid permitting. COYW.


11.) 26 Dec 2021 18:39:49
Cheers abbey, looking forward to it all being well, got me, old specked hen and spitfire lined up ?,me and my son might order a dominos too,
3-2 to us ????


 

 

 

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15 Jan 2022 18:50:40
Estoril is where we signed Toti Gomes from and apparently Grasshoppers were considering buying him last Summer maybe we will sign him and loan him to them for a time. By the looks of things it hasn't done Toti Gomes any harm has it! Very good debut from him today I thought.

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12 Jan 2022 14:48:03
In the meantime Jeff Shi the quiet man says nothing. So until white smoke comes out of the Mol chimney its all froth!

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10 Jan 2022 16:52:16
Debbie for me we sell Traore when it's best for us not when it suits him!
Pods I think when fit has always looked a very good player intelligent always looking to make a positive pass. In my opinion when he's playing as he is atm a better player than Olmo. Very much a team player and works hard for the team.

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09 Jan 2022 11:58:09
Barcelona still have to move on players before they can register Ferran Torres before anything else not so sure they have any money and they will not pay much up front anyway. But if we are unlikely to be buying it doesn't make much difference does it.

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07 Jan 2022 16:58:45
I am if on totally honest not overly worried about Jimenez. His work rate is as good and he's not exactly been overwhelmed by a massive number of chances either taken or missed tbh.

Personally I would give him more time. I know it was a massive injury but was a top quality striker and I still think he can get back to top form. My opinion and hope!

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Born, I was surprised because we never get them not because I didn't think it was!

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15 Jan 2022 19:06:21
Good for you Jas excellent! Nice when a plan comes together. Bit of a nail biter at times though.

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15 Jan 2022 14:10:23
Toti Gomes playing that's a surprise! Though having seen him playing for Grasshoppers I'm not not unduly surprised. Bit of a step for him though.

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15 Jan 2022 12:28:10
future, keeping your powder dry then.

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15 Jan 2022 10:06:01
future thanks! See I do take notice I wasn't far out! One day I'll get the hang of it.
Let's have another win today it's a good habit to have.

Ken68