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12 Jan 2022 19:19:32
Rumour is we are looking at Carlos Salcedo, a Mexican defender 29, he's contract is running down and we can snap him up for around £7 million

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18 Dec 2021 14:30:18
Linked with Origi again, hows about Traore plus 20 million swap for Origi.

Man O war

1.) 18 Dec 2021 17:07:19
It does appear that a parting of the ways appears inevitable and you would hope that we are ensuring we maximise the return by running a proper process.
However Liverpool - despite Klopps very positive remarks - wouldn't appear an obvious landing spot for him as he plays in the same position as Salah, who surely is the best player in Britain right now.
But if they are interested they do have some assets that might be of use to us.
I agree that Origi, whose goal scoring record is good, might be a viable alternative to Jimenez but rather than taking cash to balance out the deal (and I would imagine we would expect far more than £20m) how about taking Joe Gomez - an experienced and solid CB (or a cheaper option might be Nat Phillips?) and the Ox, (if fit a v good ACM?).
Taking 3 players with patchy records and injury issues is a worry but we aren't in a strong position.
The success of Jota - who was the junnior partner to Traore when they were both at Wolves - might make Liverpool more maleable but unless Salah is moving on I can't see why they would be willing to apy his full value as he wouldn't get a game ahead of Salah.
All in all its not a deal I would want to do but I guess it will depend on what other offers we get or if we can get hin to sign an extension as we def don't want ot lose him on a free in 18 months time.


2.) 19 Dec 2021 12:51:25
Yes Origi would be an option and even one other player say Gomez in a swap deal


3.) 22 Dec 2021 16:23:47
I think some may need to readjust there valuations of Adama. I rate the guy but to other clubs he will be seen as an impact/luxury player who more importantly only has 18 months left on his contract with no intention of signing a new one! Under those circumstances I think we'd be lucky just to get Origi in a straight swap. Saddly when you are forced to sell a player it stops being about the value he has to our club and more about the value an erratic player with an 18 month contract has to another club! ?


4.) 22 Dec 2021 16:26:38
Ps- TFG when Pool were first tied with Adama even the reports said any move would rely on him being happy on the bench at Anfield. I think Klopp sees him as there perfect impact sub (he's probs not wrong there). I suppose (saddly) from Adamas pov if your going to be on a bench your better off on Pools bench than ours?! ?


5.) 22 Dec 2021 17:38:33
BB agreed a seat warmer at Liverpool probably pays better. I guess its down to personal ambition do you to actually play football and be an international player or fill your wallet. He could have earned more in the last 18 months by resigning though. Not sure where the guys head is tbh. He is probably the best frustrating player we've ever had tbh!


6.) 22 Dec 2021 21:09:05
BB - we are indeed in a weak position to extract value no doubt so Jeff will have to earn his corn. Also there is no disputing that Liverpool would be an odd place for him to go as he would struggle to get into the first team ( as he would at City as well - but there because they just have so many options rather tnan an obviously superiror rival a la Salah. Frankly if you look at for example Grealish v Traore surely you have to say Traore every day of the week {faster, stronger and far more skillful}? Note they also paid mega bucks for Grealish) but elsewhere?
Obviously it is all about opinions and some don't see what I see in him but his "weakness" and lack of consistent output is in my view more a feature of the team he plays for than him.
We effectively play 8/9 at the back and on the handful of occassions we do go forwards expect him to perform miracles against 4 or 5 defenders with little or no support, (and let's be honest some of the players we have asked him to work with over the last 18 months have for various reasons been woefully inadequate and consequently even when he has produced the required miracles - which last year he did regularly particularly in the 2nd half of the season - they missed the chances he created) and of course zero protection from refs.
Under Nuno in 2019/20 we were not exactly an attaking side but even with just Doherty, a fit and firing Jimenez and an occassionally in form and motivated Jota (none of which we now have), to compliment him he was a totally different beast.
Consequently what other teams will be looking at is what they could get out of him. If they surround him with better players, play a style more suited to his game and of course realise that he will enjoy protection from refs what would he bring them.
Plus how many players of his quality are ever available in their prime.
He is undeniably the fastest, strongest and most skillful player in the Prem and that surely means a team should be able to extract substantial value from him - but I obviously accept that over the past 18 months we havent!
Consequently Shi will need to create a market AND not deal with a single team. He needs to play one off against another both here and overseas - Traore is probably better suited to European football.
Which club will want not just to lose out on the best player on the market but see a rival gain him for a mere few million more?
Despite all this sadly I fear that we will lose him for peanuts as I have no faith in Shi - full stop.
Many moan about the Jota deal but we all know that by the end of the 2019/20 season Jota was quite correctly buried deep on our bench as for long periods in his last season at the club he wasn't at his best and consequently not a patch on Traore or Netto - or frankly even Podence
But now?
Just think how we will moan when Traore similarly blossoms and we all can see what he can do and the "end result" is reported week after week!


7.) 23 Dec 2021 00:56:36
TFG- as usual fella I agree with most of what you say. Although I would caveat it, so whils I might prefer Traore to Grealish as an all round player I'm afraid the 'stats' are still stacked in Jack favour. For a start when you look at assists and goals over the last three seasons (which top clubs will) then the stats say on average Jack plays a hand in around 12-16 goals a season, whereas Adamas is around five (with his best season being 14). Now I actually agree with you in that it's partly down to our system but we also can't ignore that it's also a large part to do with Adamas lack of composure (both in front of goal and finding the through ball).
The other BIG caveat I would also add was that Jack had JUST signed a five year deal with a £100m release fee, add to that he helped City with an English quota (which they also needed). Like you say its all about the position the respective 'selling' club has put themselves in to negotiate and yet again we are sadly found wanting! I've moaned about the back room staff before but do you think Thelwell would have let him run his contact down?! I suspect not, I think he would have got tough (like we should have done) and said sign or we are forced to sell at the beginning of the season! We won't get a good fee and not because he isn't a good player but because we have left ourselves very little room for negotiation! ?


8.) 23 Dec 2021 13:31:43
BB - Excellent, articulate and rationale response!
Sadly we are both of a similar view as to where we will end up albeit with perhaps a slightly different emphasis as to why.
(I accept that no one would regard Traore as a natural finisher but actually I think his ability to get the cross in is 2nd to none. To be fair I can't deny that at Wolves there is rarely anyone on the end of them and so goals do not tend to ensue. At other clubs though they would have players willing to, able to and aware of the need to make the correct runs and therefore be on the end of the cross - like for example Dendonker did so magnificently against WH last year)


9.) 28 Dec 2021 09:20:37
TFIOG, I like the idea of a couple of Liverpool players for Adama. Phillips and Origi would work for me (Ox is a good player but we have MGW who’s time will surely come and soon). Sadly I think Liverpool will overvalue their players to prevent this deal (tbf they always do).
One option that might work for both clubs is a straight swap between Adama and Guedes of Valencia. He would be a serious upgrade on Trincao and provide central support for Raul especially if we pull out of the Hwang deal. With Neto, Podence, MGW and potentially RAN (if we push him further forward once Johnny is fit) then there are plenty of forward permutations.


10.) 28 Dec 2021 21:12:27
NES - I guess you are correct - it all depends on where each of the parties see the relative values of the players.
I had seen that Liverpool were willing to let Origi go for £10m but suspect his little flurry of goals and the desperation of others (Newcastle post Wilson?) will push that higher whilst Phillips a v limited but effective Premier League stopper will presumably attract bids in a similar space £10-15m. But with WH amongst others interested (allegedly) I don't think we would (as we gave up our place at the fringe of the top table to them and several others), stand much chance.
But even valuing the two at the top end do we want more than say £30m of "value" for Traore?
As BB correctly pointed out many people value attacking players by looking at things like goals and assists
I think those are merely the end products of good players, in good teams playing attacking football.
To value an attacking player I look at things like can he control the ball, can he retain it under pressure, can he beat a man and move up the field, can he under pressue and marked play the ball into the right areas of the pitch to provide opportunities for other good players and (sadly of course this is where Traore falls short) can he finish.
If we think Hwang - who can't control the ball or retain it etc is cheap at £10m+ or Trincao is even vaguely not insane at £25m, (and don't let's even mention Fabio), then Traore is surely worth substantially more than £30m.
But others see it differently and I suspect that until Traore is playing with better players in a "bigger" team playing attacking football - and thus racking up the assists (and even a few goals) as Jota is now doing they won't see it the way I do.
Lets hope the rumours of Barcelona, Valencia, Chelsea, Spurs, City, Real Madrid and Liverpool to name just a few of the teams linked with him mean that we can get an auction going.
But as stated above I am fearful that we will sell him for somethng like or even less than £30m
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14 Nov 2021 14:47:32
Paper talk: Liverpool and Man City are targeting Hwang. Good job we have an option to clause

Man O war

1.) 14 Nov 2021 21:24:57
The options available to Man City and Liverpool regarding Hwang Hee-Chan:
1: They can only negotiate with RB Leipzig at the end of the season but only if we don't take up the option to purchase the player.

2: Either team can pay us a compensation fee for us to 'step aside' so that the loan agreement can be terminated and they negotiate with his club in the summer.

3: Negotiate directly with Wolves in January so that we buy him earlier than agreed with RB Leipzig and agree a fee to sell him in the summer to either Man City or Liverpool.

However, the fact that a player can only play for 2 teams during a season means makes it highly unlikely that he will be joining either of them teams in January.


2.) 14 Nov 2021 23:00:37
Tks for the clarification Jas.


3.) 14 Nov 2021 23:04:04
Yes we need to tie this guy to a contract asap. On another issue interesting article in the daily mail the other day from some academic on how much each club can spend based on ffp and recent published accounts.


4.) 15 Nov 2021 17:01:00
Please excuse my ignorance but has he already played for Leipzig this season


5.) 15 Nov 2021 17:48:09
Answering my own question he played 2 Bundesliga games, so he cannot play for a third team this season


6.) 15 Nov 2021 18:38:52
Thanks Jas for your comment


 

 

20 Oct 2021 19:00:54
American investment firm buys a minority stake in Wolves, PEAK6 will inject cash into the club. Thoughts?

Man O war

1.) 20 Oct 2021 21:22:48
The haven't.


2.) 21 Oct 2021 13:23:45
PEAK6 acquired a minority stake in Fosun Sports, which is a holding company for Wolves and associated businesses. This is good news for Wolves as PEAK6 has football expertise as well as money to invest. They have owned stakes in Roma and Bournemouth and still own Dundalk in Ireland. PEAK6 will have a seat on the Wolves board of directors.


 

 

31 Aug 2021 20:24:51
Reports saying the plug has been pulled from both deals due to fees.

Man O war

1.) 31 Aug 2021 22:37:16
I've backed Fosun and Shi in many situations. But these last 3 days of business have been pathetic and ultimately make us look weak negotiators moving forward.

We honestly expect players like Adama to sign new contracts. its not like we needed to add maybe one more to make up the squad. We needed key players .

Lack of ambition and killer instinct. We will pay for this window.


2.) 01 Sep 2021 07:03:52
Did we not learn from last season? What happens if Neves, Moutinho, Jimenez get injured?


3.) 01 Sep 2021 07:17:47
TT, we share the same frustrations.
I still back Fosun, but only just. They have invested heavily in Wolves, but the CEO and Head of Football have managed the Club badly over the last 2 years.
I will blame Fosun if they do not change the aforementioned individuals!


4.) 01 Sep 2021 18:57:12
All about priorities for Fosun- no deadline day signings but we've got a new megastore in Shanghai. They've just not grasped the idea that success off the pitch comes from success on it.


5.) 03 Sep 2021 13:04:54
Is that another new store Billy or the one that opened 2 years ago?


6.) 03 Sep 2021 21:13:02
A new one- opened a few weeks back


It's like starting your Christmas shopping around 4pm on Christmas Eve- you always knew you needed to buy but put it off til the last minute then struggle to find anything decent. Even Lage had said we needed reinforcements and I presume things were promised when he came in. Not a great place to be.


 

 

 

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15 Jan 2022 17:12:54
Another good win. Adamas goal was nicely taken, Gomes looked good W-P's free kick was quality I thought Southampton were going to grab point.

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1.) 15 Jan 2022 17:24:13
Might of been 3 predictions on the trot man of War if VAR was quicker!. Glad traore scored after his miss. Good all round team although I thought samedo was a bit iffy at times. Sa again winning us points. Onwards we go and hopefully take revenge at Brentford next week. COYW.


2.) 15 Jan 2022 17:45:46
Nearly but it wasn't to be.


3.) 15 Jan 2022 18:39:50
Get in. My usual 3-1 prediction came in at 20/1 and so did my Wolves to win 3-1 and Jimenez to score 1st @ 70/1. Happy days.


4.) 15 Jan 2022 19:06:21
Good for you Jas excellent! Nice when a plan comes together. Bit of a nail biter at times though.


5.) 15 Jan 2022 20:57:57
Nice one Jas.get yourself out for a meal and a few pints


 

 

09 Jan 2022 13:41:17
Strong line up from Wolves today, I'm going for 3-0 Silva to grab a goal

Man O war

1.) 09 Jan 2022 13:45:09
Looking at the blades 5-3-2 line up I think it's going to be interesting. Could go either way,but, if we get the rub ill go 3-1 to us. COYW


2.) 09 Jan 2022 15:53:34
Semedo deserves his goal today, he has worked hard all season. Good game lads


3.) 09 Jan 2022 16:02:47
Great prediction Man On War!


4.) 09 Jan 2022 16:32:50
Good call Man O War.


5.) 09 Jan 2022 16:33:31
Is that 2 predictions on the trot man o war? Fabio finally finding his feet, pods proving his worth again. Pleased for samedo at last. And, I'm pleased to see Jordao again and a little run out for cundle. Sound performance after 1st 5 mins, ruddy doing his job when needed. Now for the draw, let's hope we get fair run. CoYW.


6.) 09 Jan 2022 17:00:47
Norwich at home then, onwards we can go.


7.) 09 Jan 2022 17:12:03
Home draw, really chuffed.


8.) 09 Jan 2022 17:13:52
Nice performance,think we can go on a good cup run,before the game,I had a sneaky punt at 33/1,to lift cup,coyw


9.) 09 Jan 2022 17:22:07
It is Abbeywolf, I'm over the moon that we have had two great performances


10.) 09 Jan 2022 20:45:04
Good confidence building result it looks like we may be starting to peak at the right point of the season. Still a long way to go though and the lack of league goals is still a concern.


11.) 09 Jan 2022 20:47:17
Man O war, I need to talk to you about a little thing called the lottery. ?


12.) 09 Jan 2022 22:46:44
Decent performance and some nice goals but that is the worst I've seen our defence in ages. The clean sheet was courtesy of Sheffield's v poor finishing. Looked better 2nd half with donk in there so maybe we've found a use for him till saiss comes back.


13.) 10 Jan 2022 13:30:22
We’d have been disappointed to have a perfectly good goal disallowed because a defender’s head almost got in the way of a striker’s boot, if someone gets hurt there’s a decision to make but I don’t see how you can rule out a goal because something nearly happened, I know we won but c’mon, would’ve been a different game probably with the same outcome.


14.) 10 Jan 2022 13:52:08
Actually Ron it nearly did against Man Utd when Silva put his foot up in the dying moments. Personally, I don't think there was much in that either but apparently it's the high boot that is the foul with or without contact/injury.


15.) 10 Jan 2022 13:54:52
Haha Oxley living up to expectations as ever! The boot was high and it was near a head that's a standard reason to give a foul and I would also point out that it was TOP reffing considering he blew his whistle before the ball hit the back of the net and called it without ANY need for VAR. Only Oxley would moan about some good reffing going in our favour for once, I suppose trollers got to troll eh?! It's getting laughable these days it really is, how much nonsense is this Villain/Baggie going to spout?! ?


16.) 10 Jan 2022 14:28:28
Yeah starting to think Oxley ain't a Wolves fan tbh either that or he is a WUM.


17.) 11 Jan 2022 10:15:21
Greyleg 14th May cup final date as it stands now.
All the threes dirty knees good bet mate COYW


 

 

03 Jan 2022 19:29:03
Epic! Well played lads, Fabio looked a different player in his shirt appearance

Man O war

1.) 03 Jan 2022 19:30:56
Get innnnn yesssdd


2.) 03 Jan 2022 19:31:15
Great result. Happy days!


3.) 03 Jan 2022 19:34:11
HEAVEN! FWAW


4.) 03 Jan 2022 19:35:17
*First


5.) 03 Jan 2022 19:35:37
Happy with the result and performance, should’ve put the game to bed sooner. Anyway, I’m not going to bemoan the result. I’m a happy bunny tonight.


6.) 03 Jan 2022 19:36:48
Fabios twisting little run to release traore for him was brilliant. Traore didn't put any value himself. Pods deservedly MoM. Sa saves us again. All round wonderful performance. Happy wanderers in oxford tonight. Its a HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone. COYW.


7.) 03 Jan 2022 19:48:48
Thought Boy Wonder almost undone all our hard graft; but where did the 5 extra minutes come from.?


8.) 03 Jan 2022 20:18:13
Fantastic display,well deserved,best team on the night won,end of,coyw


9.) 03 Jan 2022 20:22:45
Podence, best performance in an old gold shirt? All that was missing was a goal.


10.) 03 Jan 2022 21:55:28
What a really good performance, Podence and Neves were superb today. Kilman handled Ronaldo really well. All round, what a great, front foot performance. Just need to be a bit more clinical to put matches like this to bed a lot earlier.


 

 

19 Dec 2021 17:06:56
Man City v Newcastle

Clear penalty Ederson took Fraser clean out

VAR didn't even look at it

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17 Dec 2021 10:34:49
I thought Traore played his best game this season, slowed things down and looked for the pass. Defence was great again, Neves pass was pure delight Romains finish was beautifully taken. No Silva what are peoples opinion on him? Sell him or loan him or keep him?

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1.) 17 Dec 2021 12:16:52
Traore was great and unlucky not to have got at least one assist. I'd like to see more of Silva. He did well at the end of the game to get the ball and shift it on to Podence to move it up the pitch. If Podence had played the ball back to him then Silva had a clear line at goal as well, although game management taking it to the corner was the better option to see out the win. Silva got a few goals last season and got in positions for a lot of chances.

He's a year older and bulked up a bit. Going purely on statistics (goals/assists) none of the current forwards are setting the world alight so it would be hard for him to be any worse. There's a good player in there, but he needs minutes on the pitch now to prove it.


2.) 17 Dec 2021 13:36:29
I would love to see Silva become the player we all hoped for! He has to prove to Bruno on the training pitch that he can be trusted to follow the game plan.

If he doesn't do that Bruno isn't going to trust him in matches. Its that simple prove it and do it and hell get a chance.

With the problems we've had if Bruno thought he could do it I'm sure he would play him!


3.) 17 Dec 2021 13:48:24
Traore and Podence each side of Jiminez is way forward I think.


4.) 17 Dec 2021 14:58:47
Neto can't come back soon enough. Plus Jonny, we'll be ok.


5.) 17 Dec 2021 14:59:38
Agreed Rated!


6.) 17 Dec 2021 16:57:06
Excellent q Man of War!
To be fair it is hard to be objective and fair as we haven't really seen him play, (and nor has anyone else except Lage in training) for several months now and he has allegedly been working v hard on his shortcomings over the past 6 months. So all comments have to be based on where he was last season. This was sadly woefully inadequate for the Premier League. I am basing this upon his lack of speed/mobility/strength, the impact this and possibly his nerves/lack of confidence had on his touch - which under any sort of pressure collapsed and his truly awful finishing - the goal against WH excluded. Offset by his excellent positional play - he was in the right place to miss a bucket load of chances - but he was there!.
Looking at the options.
1 He is unsaleable. We simply couldn't afford to take the hit it would require to shift him and given that no one in their right mind is going to give him even a small fraction of the contract he is on we would have to pay him a kings ransom to leave any way. That is not something we can afford to do so at the moment we probably simply have to accept the " death of a thousand cuts" and paydown his contract/fee for another couple of years or so.
2 Loan him out - he probably can only go back to Portugal and as BB has pointed out that destroys the entire rationale of him coming here? In the lower leagues here he would be eaten alive by big physical defenders out to make a name for themelves and it is unlikely he would be protected by English refs!
3 The only viable option we therefore have is to keep him and hope that he can develop to the extent that either we want to play him or option 1 becomes viable.

What a disaster and a wholly avoidable one because anyone who with any clue about the game who watched him play - and I put this on record after his first handful of games over here - should have been able to see that he is slow, weak and has a v poor touch under pressure meaning that, at the moment, he is not good enough to play proffesional football in England!
But we have been over that a thousand times so .


7.) 17 Dec 2021 19:10:15
Ah but Jeff thinks he's brilliant that's why he bought him I seem to remember him saying!


8.) 17 Dec 2021 19:14:32
Future, it's hard to know what to do about the disaster that is Fabio Silva. Go for the least worst option I guess. If Bruno had been in place I'm sure we would never have signed Silva. Is Silva Jeff's secret lovechild or something?


9.) 17 Dec 2021 19:48:07
I agree TFIOG,I don't think we can afford to get rid of him now.
I think somewhere in there there is a decent player, but he has a shed load of work to prove himself.
Personally I think he's not going to make it at the golden palace.


10.) 17 Dec 2021 21:30:25
I am not adding anything.
I think you all know my feelings on this fiascoe.


11.) 17 Dec 2021 22:54:58
If and its a big if he started knocking in the chances he gets then he would be worth every penny of the fee paid as he does have a phenomenal knack of being in the right place at the right time.
I assume that skill (or the fact that as a consequence he did score heavily in junior football) is what Shi or whoever recommended him to Shi hung their hat on?
However as that is, at the moment, all he offers he is a super luxury player that we simply can't carry. Some of you don't want to carry Traore, (who also doesn't score), and who is also a "cream on the cake" player but who is currently a million miles better than Silva.
How we and he ever discovers if he can knock the chances in though I don't know because when is he going to play?
He needs to play for a team that is dominating, (a la Man City), and can afford him to basically do v little but score.
That isn't us and I can't honestly see City rushing to take him and give him the time to find out.
I fear that he isn't going to get a career here and will have to go back to Portugal to play.
Maybe he will bloom and we will bitterly regret our actions - but I don't think so!


12.) 18 Dec 2021 11:00:57
Go back to square one and let him get some game time with the U23's whilst training with the first team squad and being available on the bench if needed. The lad is still only around 20 and with the current kmife edge results that we are experiencing it seems to me that most games are neither won or lost with anything from 1 to 45 min left to play making it very difficult to give the lad game time.


13.) 18 Dec 2021 12:54:30
Arddunby - good points!
Quite what the U23 will make of it I don't know as he will earning more than the rest of the side (and probably the bench) put together!


14.) 18 Dec 2021 17:00:08
TFIOG very true! However hopefully he won't have to play to many games to get some confidence back. Didn't he play a game in the Papa Johns a few months back and score twice. The priority must be to develop the lad as a footballer. I do get the strange nature of it all and it would need to be carefully managed obviously.


 

 

 

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15 Jan 2022 09:50:36
Read this morning that Wolves are set to discuss a new contract with him

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10 Jan 2022 18:10:02
I'd take £25 million cash or £20 million with add ons. £5 million for 15 appearances £50 million for 10 goals scored over 2 seasons

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07 Jan 2022 11:20:41
Reading that we have had a €30 million bid turned for Benoît Badiashile

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04 Jan 2022 12:11:10
I like Doherty but he is our past now

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03 Jan 2022 16:58:02
I echo your your post bayleaf, glad we are recalling some of our loan players. Looking forward to seeing Sanderson play

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15 Jan 2022 17:45:46
Nearly but it wasn't to be.

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15 Jan 2022 15:10:38
I agree Abbeywolf 2-1 to Wolves

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11 Jan 2022 06:11:31
We have moved on, sorry Doherty

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09 Jan 2022 17:22:07
It is Abbeywolf, I'm over the moon that we have had two great performances

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09 Jan 2022 15:53:34
Semedo deserves his goal today, he has worked hard all season. Good game lads

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