Wolves banter 9

14 Sep 2025 20:46:13
Thinking about Wolves situation earlier today as I got into a lift; then I heard "Going Down" can't help feeling its a sign.

14 Sep 2025 17:50:47
VP wants to win the ball and play backwards to his goalkeeper!

Nuno is a master at soaking pressure and hitting teams on the counter. Perfect for a team in the bottom half.

Nuno has proved he can do magical things with bottom half teams.

VP is the opposite. he's deluded if he thinks he can play patient, possession based football at wolves in the prem! It's actually delusional.

The best chance any bottom half team has in the prem is to play counter attack.

Do we really want to see the ball going back to our keeper every time we win it back?!

14 Sep 2025 20:13:30
Sure. Let's go back to parking the bus and counter attack football. So exciting!

14 Sep 2025 20:22:19
Tbf this has been going on way before VP came.

14 Sep 2025 20:44:40
Was our best yrs for a long time NJWolf and certainly wasn’t boring.

14 Sep 2025 21:55:35
Wolvo. I realize it was some of our better years, but I remember everyone on here complaining about the style of play. I agreed then it wasn't exciting although effective at times. The only excitement was when we happened to get the few counter attacks and score. I would prefer to play with more possession rather than sitting back all the time. I prefer watching more fluid and confident football.

14 Sep 2025 22:42:53
Just to get this straight, people want us to play the style of play best suited to teams down the bottom but expect us to be competing up the top where teams play a style similar to what we play while we’re at the bottom? Think I might have confused myself now.

I seem to remember a lot of people getting frustrated with Nuno and the counter attacking football when we kept losing to teams down the bottom who played counter attacking football while we had to adapt and play possession football but couldn’t break those teams down. Am I close to straight?

14 Sep 2025 23:04:33
Goatmark. That is exactly right! The possession based football style does take longer to master, but once a team figures it out, it works well. I think we have a better roster for that style than we had last year.

15 Sep 2025 08:04:39
Maybe if we defended then cleared our lines directly forward it would please everyone, and we could use goal kicks to put the ball into the opposition half instead of to our 18 yard box. Maybe a couple of out and out wingers to carry the ball up field and provide crosses into the box for our towering forwards? Or is that too simplistic?

15 Sep 2025 12:06:22
NJWolf, this so called possession football ain’t working, it’s sideways and backwards football unless u have the top quality players to play it which it appears we haven’t.

15 Sep 2025 13:48:44
Wolvo1963, we were more attack minded against Newcastle.

15 Sep 2025 17:22:18
For the first 20 mins and the last 5 mins maybe

14 Sep 2025 16:49:27
MU v MC game today, both Cunha and RAN not in lineups due to injuries. So, if they had been w Wolves they wouldn't have helped us yesterday.

14 Sep 2025 18:51:00
How did you come to that way of thinking if they were both still at wolves it would off been a total different situation and they might not of been injured

14 Sep 2025 20:00:34
Exactly what I was thinking James.🙄

14 Sep 2025 20:12:45
Then again maybe they would have gotten a different injury or they would have scored 3 goals each for Wolves. Lmao

15 Sep 2025 08:08:00
It's still raining out then. If it hadn't been I'd of gone out.

15 Sep 2025 14:23:34
As long as we have this obligation to play Whang we are snookered. If that is not VP idea he shou!d walk away he's on hiding to nothing . Hwang wouldn't get a place in any other Premier club. If it's the choice of VP then we should get ready for Championship football. It's sad the way the club has unravelled.

14 Sep 2025 16:00:39
Nuno will never come back whilst Shi is there so get over it, it's getting boring now the "get Nuno back" posts.
We could have Sir Alex Ferguson in his prime in we still won't get anywhere because of Shi and Fosun, the Nuno ship has long sailed i'm afraid and tbh he deserves better than dealing with Shi.

14 Sep 2025 17:06:31
You're right it's history and Nuno will never be back but it's equally a very understandable sentiment, VP has supposedly selected his new players and they're not exactly performing.

Add to that VP has started tinkering with the system of play, formation and now inverting wingbacks who can't defend even on their strong foot, he also refuses to drop out of form players and is making questionable subs. Surely questions regarding the management is understandable?!

14 Sep 2025 20:23:15
VP isn't off the hook by a long shot mate.

14 Sep 2025 14:11:08
Now would be a good time for a six game winning streak.

14 Sep 2025 15:16:27
Burnley look good v Pool. A must win v Leeds, what do people think our starting 11 should be? Not what it will likely be with our obligation to include Hwang. Interesting to get others thoughts, thanks.

14 Sep 2025 16:57:13
I'm worried now! My biggest concern after pre season was the inability of our wingbacks to defend, they're actually worse than I feared. Most of the goals against us are due to lack of pressure from our wingbacks and defensive midfielders.

Add to that the fact that Andre seems to have handed in his notice and the CBs are just under too much pressure.

VP seems to have attempted to fix this with adding another defensive midfielder (Krejci) ahead of Hugo as an insurance policy, which has just further reduced our creativity.

I've got nothing against Hugo and R Gomes per se and actually think they've been our biggest attacking threats they just can't defend.

I know it'll never happen but I'd switch to 4-1-4-1, a couple of out of form players need to be dropped. On that basis I'd go;

Sa
Jackson, Mosquera, Toti, Wolfe
Krejci
R Gomes, Bellegarde, J Gomes, Bueno (or Lopez)
JSL

14 Sep 2025 18:26:26
Disappointing start to the season but we need to be realistic.
Zero points against City-expected.
Zero points against Newcastle-expected.
Zero points against Bournemouth, never easy.
Zero points against Everton, should have been a draw, penalty not awarded.

The squad have only been together for a matter of days so I'm optimistic that a better cohesion will be evident as we progress.

14 Sep 2025 19:55:56
Well rodrido could and probably should have had a hatrick v newcastle.or even if the first effort had gone in I think we cudv kept them.out. wev simply got to be more clinical infront of goal.its the same in every game.we don't put our chances away.WHY?.And i'd keep sam in goal.sa is no better.he had a good game and is way better kicking the ball out

14 Sep 2025 21:08:20
I don't disagree with your points Bux, all I have pointed out is the fact that an away game at Newcastle was always a good bet for a home win, a draw at best.

14 Sep 2025 13:03:43
The team looked a better defensive unit with Agbadou on the right, Toti on the left and Mosquera in the middle. Attacking wise we did well. Totu held the ball up well and had he had a willing runner like JSL or Arias picking up the flick ons and short passes, I think we would have got something from the game.

Surely next week, if JSL is fit, he starts up front alongside Tolu. But then again, it depends on how much merchandise the club need to sell in the East Asia market.

14 Sep 2025 14:44:55
Yes Wandering Star the defence did look better.Only conceding one goal away at Newcastle.
Attacking wise we are progressing already scoring two goals in just four games.
As you described Nuno’s last season as dire how would you rate our start to this season with zero points and being rock bottom of the table with the three promoted teams (and everyone else) on more points than us?
We are led to believe that VP chose his own players in the transfer window but he is not now choosing to start with most of them.
Why is this?
Our star striker politely asking for a transfer to Newcastle and developing an injury when refused his request.
Keeper phoning in sick on the day of the match.
Chairman and CEO making a statement that he thinks it was a good transfer window and he hopes we will get back into Europe,
Progress indeed!

14 Sep 2025 15:27:18
I would describe the start to the season as poor.

But we have 34 games to go so plenty to play for. If we are still bottom after the next 6 games, which include all 3 promoted sides, then we should look to make a change.

Is Strand Larsen fit then? As you seem to think he's faking injury and even got the Norway manager to claim he's injured.

You obviously must know more than most as you clearly work as the club secretary seeing as you know that Jose Sa phoned in sick in the morning to say he was sick. Nothing to do with the sickness bug that he was struck down with whilst with the Portugal squad.

14 Sep 2025 15:46:31
FirstThePoints, I might have missed something here but a lot of the recent signings didn't start because of the long travel and late return from international duty but, Tolu, Agbadou and Krejci all started and Arias, Munetsi, Lopez and Tchatchoua came on as subs (all of whom were playing for their country in midweek)

14 Sep 2025 16:58:29
Wandering Star you say if we are still bottom of the league after another six games you would be calling for change.
What would you change?
The players?
The head coach?
The chairman/CEO?
Jorge Mendes?
Who would you bring in to the club and what impact would they have on our survival fight?

First The Points

14 Sep 2025 17:04:03
WS you obviously watched the game. Comments spot on.

14 Sep 2025 19:22:11
Well considering Fosun call the shots, I can't see them going. As the transfer market is closed, it won't be any of the players.

So I guess it would have to be a managerial change.

Who would I bring in? Xavi, Edin Terzic or Thiago Motta.

All are young, have experience of Elite league football and all have a point to prove.

14 Sep 2025 19:29:27
FirstThePoints, don't get me wrong. At this point I am still 100% behind VP. I think we were unlucky not to walk away from St James Park with nothing. I'm confident, given the all round improvement yesterday that we will finish comfortably in mid table. The only issue for me is the confidence. We beat Leeds, we have the wind in our sail. We lose, VP has a he'll of a job to lift the players spirits.

14 Sep 2025 22:28:34
WS - Comfortably in mid table? … Really?

15 Sep 2025 05:53:10
Yes. JSL, Tolu, Arias, Lopez and Rodrigo are more than capable of scoring the goals to propel us up the table.

15 Sep 2025 07:32:05
Ok WS. We’ll see.
I sincerely hope you are right but I really can’t see it myself.

15 Sep 2025 14:48:59
For us to now finish mid table (going off last year's numbers) we would already need to average 1.64 points a game. Which is more than VP has managed anywhere in Europe since he managed Fenerbache back in 2015!

14 Sep 2025 12:53:31
It wasn't the fault of the referee.
VP has a. Couple of games to find his stating 11 and stick with it. One thing is clear the team selection has lacked any consistency.
Hwang is simply not good enough and is just a liability.

14 Sep 2025 13:34:17
Nando and Wandering what would be your starting 11 v Leeds? Whatever it is I think we have to try and play the same each game to help gain consistency and hopefully some better connection between players.

14 Sep 2025 16:16:30
I'd go 352 and if all the squad i'd available:

GK: Sa
RCB: Agbadou
CB: Mosquera
LCB: Krejci
RWB: Rodrigo
LWB: H Bueno
CM: Andre
CM: Gomes
CAM: Lopez
ST: JSL
ST: Tolu

Subs: Arias, Tchatchoua, Wolfe, Bellegarde, Munetsi, Doc, Johnstone, S Bueno, Mane.

No Hwang or Toti in my squad.

My captain would be Krejci as he seems the best choice based on experience.

14 Sep 2025 16:22:16
I agree with Krejci being captain Wandering.

14 Sep 2025 17:23:36
I also agree with him starting in defence! We bought him cause we need a CB so he needs to start playing there from the start 👍

15 Sep 2025 14:32:51
Totally agree with Wondering Star on his line up with Krejci as captain 100%.

15 Sep 2025 16:31:26
Sa
Mosquera Krejci Agbadou
Tchatchou Bueno
Andrea
Gomez. Lopez
Arias
JSL

14 Sep 2025 06:40:16
VP out.

Nuno in.

ASAP.

14 Sep 2025 08:12:04
Needless to say the Leeds game is massive, ridiculous to think that a game this early in the season could be so important. Lose this and where do we go from there, VP seems to think that the team is playing in a good way, I can’t see it myself.
Unfortunately it seems, history will repeat itself unless performances and results improve starting next week, inevitable that we start to question VP now.

14 Sep 2025 08:43:38
Absolutely ridiculous comment.Slag off the board, not the manager.Doing a good job with the players he has been left with.Good performance v Newcastle yesterday, and Vitor clearly still trying to find his best starting 11.Other than Spurs next 5 fixtures all wins.

14 Sep 2025 08:50:49
I had great faith in VP but sometimes you do wonder sometimes particularly around team selection. Having said that we generally don't look a bad side just lack an attacking punch at the moment and just a bit aimless, no inventive spark up front.

Maybe just lacking Larsen is the issue or maybe it's just the consequence of diluting the squad year on year. Either way if things don't improve soon don't rule out another Manager change by Xmas, again.

14 Sep 2025 09:26:01
You're living in a time warp and need to get over it. How many times but Nuno's gone. He was sacked. He ain't coming back. He's history. If you're very lucky you can get him on a rerun of a old game on Sky, or you may get the FA cup semi final against Watford when we were 2-0 up and cruising. Then he took Jota and Raul off and we lost 3-2. If you're not happy with that maybe take a look at the games in his last season when we were in free fall!
Manager's come and they go. Just get over it!

14 Sep 2025 09:28:49
Oh dear, now you’ve started something.
Surely you are aware that Nuno had no plan b?

14 Sep 2025 09:30:57
And why?

14 Sep 2025 09:53:28
Doesn't matter who manages the players we have available, even Pep couldn't do anything with them. When you have to play the likes of Whang it's like starting with the men. The only big of quality we have namely, Andre, J.Gomes and R.Gomes are flogging a dead horse. We are still crying out for a quality centre half, and after the loss of Cunha and Ait Nouri we have no creative players so we get nothing up front.

14 Sep 2025 10:15:17
Ray389.
You're right. With Hwang we are carrying a passenger. His work rate is non existent and he doesn't hold the ball up to bring others into play. It is virtually 10 Vs 11 with the added handicap of Hwang. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the first team now. His contribution is next to zero. He put one ball across to Tolu in the 1st half which their defender cut out, but other than that I can't honestly remember what else.

14 Sep 2025 10:32:23
Every one keeps blaming the board they have backed vp with the players he asked for can anyone say that Munesti or any of the African players he's signed are good enough as I've mentioned before I was told VP wasn't good enough by a Benfica fan same old tactics never changes looks like maybe he was right

14 Sep 2025 10:37:25
Agree Ray389 Hwang offers nothing at the moment, soon as the team came in yesterday, surely we all thought the same 10 v 11 from start. Just can’t understand why VP keeps starting him, must see something no one else can.
Also agree with lack of creativity, Lopez for Hwang seems obvious to me. Arias has not been the Cunha replacement as billed unfortunately, whether he needs time or not, just doesn’t look good enough at the moment.
If we start with the same 11, well 10 v Leeds can’t see us winning. We have Leeds, Spurs, Everton in cup then Brighton I think, how many of those will we win? May be being pessimistic but just can’t see many points, maybe a draw v Leeds, that’s it.

14 Sep 2025 10:56:27
Regarding Hwang, surely he has to get into the team?
You need to think about all those shirt sales to our Asian fans. 😉
Cynical bugger aren’t I?

14 Sep 2025 12:17:54
Has to be the only reason he gets in the team these days 3G, we must sell an awful lot of shirts, still not enough to improve the stadium though 👍

14 Sep 2025 14:09:59
Maybe he's got an appearance fee written in, got to play X amount of games in season so VPs getting rid of em early, hopefully he'd have made them all now.

14 Sep 2025 14:56:24
Sorry gents I often agree with some of you guys but any notion that VP is playing Hwang due to pressure from the board/appearance related bonuses is conspiracy level nonsense! Whilst I understand the frustrations it is also worth noting here that Hwang had our best shot on target yesterday and also played in the best through ball! Ammidotely he then took the rest of the match off but then Cunha used to as well, difference is Cunha would have got the goal and and assist before!
Ironically the REAL answer is far more worrying! VP ain't playing Hwang cause he has to, he's doing it because going into the match he was the ONLY attacking player he had availible with any genuine Prem experience! Instead of being annoyed with VP (or even Hwang) for starting maybe we should be asking why VP finds himself in a position where he's having to rely on Hwang in the first place?! 🧐

14 Sep 2025 16:37:45
JSL would have started if fit instead of Hwang surely.

14 Sep 2025 17:07:47
Don't think so Ard, cause I think Tolu started for JSL. Hwang more likely started for Arias, who looks about 3 months off the pace. And there in lies the problem!

13 Sep 2025 21:16:07
Was it just me or was the referee very quick to hand out cards to Wolves players today but very reluctant to take any action against Newcastle, especially Bruno Guimares who spent most of the game rolling around on the floor.

13 Sep 2025 23:29:59
No VP thought so as well.

14 Sep 2025 01:37:33
Chris Kavanagh has always had an agender against us.

13 Sep 2025 20:57:19
Vitor has had a dry August, so far a dry September; When will he get a Saturday pint?

13 Sep 2025 21:23:08
He'll be teetotal by Christmas!

14 Sep 2025 20:51:43
Think you may be right