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23 Feb 2021 15:07:30
Just saw a review of our loaned out players performance this weekend. Most successful player this year is Tote Gomes, defender at Grasshoppers.
One player missing was Christian Herc, still our player and scoring goals from midfield for Czech top tier side Karvina. West Ham have recruited well from that league.
Interesting player to keep an eye on is not one of ours. 24 year old, Portuguese speaking, goal scoring midfielder, voted Portuguese League 2 player of the year last season and now captaining his side, Farnese in their top tier. Ryan Gauls!

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1.) 23 Feb 2021 20:43:48
Sorry typo - Ryan Gauld.


2.) 24 Feb 2021 10:18:17
Think there's one reason Nuno sends players out on loan, i. e. he doesn't rate them! Can't think of any that have come back and got in the team. Possibly last player to do so, Matt Doherty, banished off to Hibs and Bury in 12/ 13 ( by Mad Mick) returned to play 300+ games! Legend FWAW.


3.) 24 Feb 2021 16:01:43
Agree Preston, it certainly looks that way. Difference with Gomes is that Nuno has probably never seen him, given that he went straight to Grasshoppers from Portugal. Also if what you are saying is the case, it is somewhat shortsighted, given that many young players benefit hugely from playing against lower league first teams, as opposed to youngsters in the academy teams. Dion Sanderson appears to be gaining in confidence through a run of games as a centre back with Sunderland. Most centre backs tend to come into their prime in their mid twenties, so he has time on his side. Sunderland fans comparing him to a previous loanee of theirs: Johnny Evans from Manchester United. Would have a pretty good career if he turned out to be any where near as good as him. He is still best centre back Man Utd haven’t got. Would certainly walk into their team today.
List of top players who have benefited from loans is too long to mention, so I hope do try to use the system to develop future first team players. If not it seems a bit of a waste of a salary having a Head of Loans Department!


4.) 24 Feb 2021 20:17:23
Totally agree, don't think Dion has played any where near half the games for Sunderland, this season. Not sure why. Would rather see some of our talented youngsters in the first team, rather than loaned out! Especially in CMF where we have major problems. FWAW.


5.) 25 Feb 2021 11:41:33
Can I ask Preston why, if as you say we have major problems in CM, you think Vitor, a supposedly £20m rated CM, is not getting any minutes?
Any one else got a view as well?


6.) 25 Feb 2021 17:26:11
Don’t want to jinx us given that we are not yet mathematically safe but recruitment team, whoever that is, should be planning for next season. This year can best be described as one where we have taken stock. There are a small, and I would contend rapidly decreasing, number of players who are automatic starters in our first eleven. Some of those may not be regarded as such come September.
Question that those in charge should be asking is, at what level would the individuals in our present first team squad, be guaranteed starters. If we split premier league into top six, middle eight and bottom six, and the Championship into top half and bottom half, League One and League Two. Probably worth throwing in Spanish, Italian and Portuguese leagues as some of our players may well do better there than in our domestic leagues
If, as Fosun have stated, we are looking to be a top six side, then some difficult decisions are going to have to be made at the end of this season. Some of our fringe players or younger players may well benefit from being on loan at the start of next season. One such is Dion Sanderson, I would say Championship top half (loan)
Would be interesting exercise for some of our regular posters to say at which level they would see our fringe squad players being automatic starters next season.
Kilman, Coady: Premier bottom 6
Ait Nouri (loan) Otasowie (loan) . MGW, Fabio Silva (loan) Championship top half
Vitinha, Moutinho: Portugal
Neves Jose: Spain/ Italy
Saiss: France.


7.) 25 Feb 2021 18:44:50
Wolfthistle - excellent post

Will give it some thought!
be interested to hear your 9nd everyone else's ) views on entire squad but with only England as what does Vitor Portugal mean - does he stay or does he go?
Pretty sure I won't have too many to p6 sadly!


8.) 25 Feb 2021 21:29:25
Patricio - middle 8 but given age possibly morphing to bottom 6 next year
Ruddy - top half championship
Semedo - middle 8 ( with potential to go to top 6)
Hoever -top half championship (hopefully top 6 in time)
Boly - top 6
Coady middle 8
Saiss middle 8
Kilman middle 8
RAN - top half championship (with potential to become Prem player)
Marcal - middle 8 ( if fit)
Dendonker - middle 8
Neves - middle 8 ( sorry to slow and doesn't do enough going forwards to be top 6)
Moutinho bottom 6 ( due to age)
Owen - top half championship (def possible Prem player but only seen a handful of times)
MGW - top half Championship (not making progress and may not make it to Prem)
Vitor - top half Championship (Sorry but like Owen has only played in a handful of games and then only cameos. There must be a reason for this)
Neto top 6 (still raw but huge potential)
Podence middle 8 (but could become top 6)
Traore top 6 (with top 6 ref protection and better support would terrorise any defence)
Jimenez top 6 (class act! )
Jose bottom 6 (but might be middle 8)
Fabio Silva League 1 ( but worried it might be to physical for him - unless he makes dramatic physical improvements I am worried re his future. )


9.) 26 Feb 2021 18:10:32
Really interesting exercise that, and I might try doing the same on the Villa site.
I’m surprised you only rate Ait Nouri as Championship level currently. I watched most of Angers games the 2 seasons prior to this one, and I always thought RAN was their most talented player.
Do Wolves have an obligation to buy him at the end of the season or is it optional?


10.) 26 Feb 2021 23:13:33
Mark - delighted you think so I thought Wolfthistle's suggestion was a good one as well and so responded!
Re RAN Don't know how much of his time you have seen at Wolves.
He is quite good going forwards but awful (really awful) defensively.
[Will be castigated by "true fans" for that as well! ]
Comparing him to Matt Targett he is sadly a v poor second both ways!
But he is young and may develop - although of course as with all young players he may well not.
Doubt we will find out though as for £20m we should be able to buy a far better ready made player - as you did with Matty Cash.
Plus with Otto, Marcal (injuries permitting) Saiss and quite possibly Vinagre coming back as we can't find anyone willing to buy him despite there not being too much difference between him and RAN in potential he would be competing for 4th LB in the squad. Don't think we can have a £20m fourth/ fifth choice!


11.) 27 Feb 2021 12:23:32
Thanks for replying Tfig, I think RAN will improve defensively, it was never really an issue at Angers, and it’s perhaps just a case of adjusting to the intensity of the English game.
A season ago I, along with most Villa supporters, were wandering why we shelled out 15 million or so for Matt Targett. Defensively he was pretty atrocious at times.
This season however, he unrecognizable from the last, and most of us agree he is our most improved player, and I would go as far to say, he might have an outside chance of making the Euros. I’m sure RAN will improve, he’s got plenty of time to do so, but admittedly 20 million is a big steep, somewhere between 10-15, and I think he would be worth the gamble.


 

 

19 Feb 2021 14:39:08
I have seen some really good sections in other clubs websites, which give weekly updates on their players out on loan. We don't and it is an onerous task to try and find out how individuals are doing in their loans. Have been checking as best as I can and it is fair to say that the overall picture is hugely underwhelming.
I know people have highlighted Rafa Mir of late but he has not commanded a starting berth throughout the season. Half his six goals scored, came in one match. So it would be fair to say that he has done okay, but nothing more. We have most of our loan players at two clubs, Grasshopper Zurich in Swiss second tier and Famalicao, presently rock bottom of Portugal top league.
Our only player who is an ever present for these sides and therefore can be said to be a success is Tote Gomez at Grasshoppers. Who? You may well ask. A 22year old defender, we bought from Estoril and loaned out straight away. Doubt if he has ever been to Wolverhampton. Some of the others arrived full of promise but not sure if any of those out on loan, have a long term future with us.

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1.) 19 Feb 2021 16:01:01
Wolfthistle- good info if not good news! What has happened to Sanderson thought he was going to be the next big thing at one time?


2.) 19 Feb 2021 17:00:44
Hi that lad Giles thd left back was at Coventry I think its rotherham he's at now but I'm not sure.
He not been called back when mgw and cutrone was makes you think is Giles good enough for the first team.


3.) 19 Feb 2021 18:32:27
Giles recalled from Coventry and sent to Rotherham to get more game time. Think he has featured in all Rotherham games but some from bench. Scored twice though.
Injuries at Sunderland look like they have opened opportunity for Sanderson to start games at Centre Back from here on in. Gets good write ups but that didn’t guarantee a starting berth earlier this year.


 

 

26 Jan 2021 15:59:38
Buying players from abroad, especially young players, has a degree of risk. I think everyone would agree as we have had and continue to have experience of this. I personally think this is even more the case for one of the areas we want to target - centre backs. The nature of our game is such, that they have to have certain physical attributes to succeed, which isn't always the case in other countries. We have brought in CBS from abroad that have not worked out: Miranda and Vallejo. There are higher profiles examples of others we were linked with that have not succeeded: William Saliba at Arsenal and Mohammed Salisu at Southampton. Boly has been good for us, but he had a year in the championship to adjust and Forfana is brilliant at Leicester. Equally brilliant however, are Mee and Tarkowski at Burnley. They have just had a £5 million pound bid rejected by Stoke for 19 yr old CB Nathan Collins. He has played 30 plus games in the Championship and is 6' 4" and is rated by Sean Dyche, who knows a thing about centre backs. We should be showing interest.

Wolfthistle

1.) 26 Jan 2021 17:31:50
Like Brentford and Leicester Burnley have a good recent record of identifying young talent so maybe. At 6 4 he has the height if nothing else!


2.) 26 Jan 2021 18:41:43
We always seem very late to any party where young, British talent is concerned Wolfthistle, other clubs seem to act where we regularly do very little sadly.
Something that does need addressing.

As for you mentioning Brentford and now more so Burnley Future, they use or in Burnley's case will use artificial intelligence to recruit players - namely stats are pumped into a software program and out comes a list of names of prospective signings. It's not won them the Championship just yet but they have been there abouts the last few seasons.

{Ed001's Note - the owner of Brentford, Matthew Benham, owns Smart Odds who produce statistical modelling services for his clubs. But there is more to their success than simply good recruitment. He has pumped in something like £90m of his own money into the infrastructure of the club, including a futsal set-up to improve the player's skills on the ball. It is more their holistic approach to recruitment and running the club from top to bottom with a focus on improving players' skills and technique, while providing a consistent framework at every level to teach the players exactly how they will play their position. You couldn't just replicate it by recruiting the players they target as you would be missing all the rest of their model.}


3.) 26 Jan 2021 22:00:29
Well Italia and Ed it certainly seems to work - Brentford have not just been successful but have sold a bucket load of talent for huge profits over the past few years.

{Ed001's Note - they are a very well run club.}


4.) 26 Jan 2021 22:05:07
Yes they are very well run and always play attractive attacking football.


5.) 27 Jan 2021 06:56:31
Max Kilman a success story not been mentioned.


6.) 27 Jan 2021 11:43:54
Phil - good point. And he played Futsal ( commentators always tell you that! ) which Ed says Brentford use
We have loads of other success stories as well - Neto, Podence, Boly, Neves, Traore all bought for pennies relative to their potential sales price today.
Not that I want to sell any of them.
Indeed until this summer the transfer record was v good - which is why it is so baffling that the summer was just so bad and not just so bad but so obviously bad - v high prices and wages for players with seemingly nothing to justify them and certainly in most cases minimal to no experience?
From the youth set up have big hopes For Owen and I was hoping that Sanderson would push on but not sure he has - shame.


7.) 27 Jan 2021 13:19:02
All good points you make Thefutureisoldgold I too was hoping for Sanderson to kick on with us.
I look forward to reading your excellent match analysis and player ratings. fingers crossed you will be typing with a beaming smile after a win 😀.


8.) 27 Jan 2021 14:20:41
Suspect if we win there might be a few tears!
But yes I will put up my ratings - might be on Thursday though so that I can be a little more detached/ calmer.
PS I have got my son into walking these last few months and we are heading off this afternoon to a new walk across the valley from us - lots of 1 in 7 hills and woods - although he doesn't like to get muddy (? ) so we tend to keep to paths.
Getting him fitter - since the tennis courts all shut he does virtually nothing - and trying to keep my own weight down - after losing 1.5 stones in first lockdown its started to drift up again as I can't get out as much this time due to the bad weather.


 

 

 

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31 Jan 2021 09:22:42
Our defence is under the microscope due to our lack of goals at the other end and our style which relies on us keeping what we start with. Unfortunately our previous capacity to keep clean sheets is no longer the case. There are reasons for this but there are also solutions.
If we keep Saiss, and it appears to be a big if, as his contract is up at end of this season and the present rumours of a January exit, then we need him to be the pivot of our defence. He can play in a back four, which unfortunately I don’t believe Coady can, and he is enough of a player to be the free man in a back three. He is quicker than Coady, better in the air and better at tackling. Add the goal threat he poses, then I think he is a better option than the captain.
Doesn’t give me any pleasure to say this but teams identify weak points in the opposition and getting their striker up against Coady is something teams are looking to do. We are dropping too deep and having to make tackles in our box, which is not something we are particularly good at doing cleanly: hence the number of penalties conceded.
The solution to our defensive frailties is in house, I believe, especially with imminent return of Jonny but centre midfield requires additions or a change of role for present players.
Watching other teams, they all appear to have centre midfielders capable of running forward with the ball, to break the lines. (Smith-Rowe at Arsenal has added that dimension and turned around their season) Neither Neves or Moutinho can do this, lack required speed and athleticism. Could Dendonker do other than the ten yard negative passes, he must be instructed to play. He has the speed and athleticism but not sure if he has the skill required to drop a shoulder and create the gap to exploit. Otasowie looks a prospect, with the attributes to play that role, but understandably our present position has the manager choosing experience over youthful potential. Is there a signing in the offing to provide this type of player?

Wolfthistle

{Ed001's Note - Coady was player of the year for the Championship in midfield the season before you signed him from Huddersfield, could he be the answer in there?}


 

 

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24 Jan 2021 17:20:18
How did someone with his racist views get anywhere near the post of Chair of Wolves Parliament? Embarrassing!

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25 Feb 2021 17:26:11
Don’t want to jinx us given that we are not yet mathematically safe but recruitment team, whoever that is, should be planning for next season. This year can best be described as one where we have taken stock. There are a small, and I would contend rapidly decreasing, number of players who are automatic starters in our first eleven. Some of those may not be regarded as such come September.
Question that those in charge should be asking is, at what level would the individuals in our present first team squad, be guaranteed starters. If we split premier league into top six, middle eight and bottom six, and the Championship into top half and bottom half, League One and League Two. Probably worth throwing in Spanish, Italian and Portuguese leagues as some of our players may well do better there than in our domestic leagues
If, as Fosun have stated, we are looking to be a top six side, then some difficult decisions are going to have to be made at the end of this season. Some of our fringe players or younger players may well benefit from being on loan at the start of next season. One such is Dion Sanderson, I would say Championship top half (loan)
Would be interesting exercise for some of our regular posters to say at which level they would see our fringe squad players being automatic starters next season.
Kilman, Coady: Premier bottom 6
Ait Nouri (loan) Otasowie (loan) . MGW, Fabio Silva (loan) Championship top half
Vitinha, Moutinho: Portugal
Neves Jose: Spain/ Italy
Saiss: France.

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24 Feb 2021 16:01:43
Agree Preston, it certainly looks that way. Difference with Gomes is that Nuno has probably never seen him, given that he went straight to Grasshoppers from Portugal. Also if what you are saying is the case, it is somewhat shortsighted, given that many young players benefit hugely from playing against lower league first teams, as opposed to youngsters in the academy teams. Dion Sanderson appears to be gaining in confidence through a run of games as a centre back with Sunderland. Most centre backs tend to come into their prime in their mid twenties, so he has time on his side. Sunderland fans comparing him to a previous loanee of theirs: Johnny Evans from Manchester United. Would have a pretty good career if he turned out to be any where near as good as him. He is still best centre back Man Utd haven’t got. Would certainly walk into their team today.
List of top players who have benefited from loans is too long to mention, so I hope do try to use the system to develop future first team players. If not it seems a bit of a waste of a salary having a Head of Loans Department!

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23 Feb 2021 20:43:48
Sorry typo - Ryan Gauld.

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20 Feb 2021 20:13:07
One strategy we haven’t used is to recruit players with Premier League experience from the tams relegated at the end of a season. Others have used this recruitment route successfully. Godfrey, Doucoure and Wilson have all performed well for Everton and Newcastle respectively. Not wishing to write off teams before their fate is sealed but you would hope that our recruitment team would be casting an eye over some prospects from the bottom four or five teams. I think there are a number of good young players in some of those sides that would be an upgrade on some of our starting eleven.

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20 Feb 2021 10:00:18
The irony is that Dendonker shows he can carry the ball forward when he is playing at the back but never does so when in midfield. Constantly playing a negative pass back to our back line must be as per instructions. I personally believe he could be so much better as a midfielder if he took more responsibility to progress attacks. He moves quite quickly with the ball at his feet but invariably opts for a safety first, negative pass. I’m sure he was far more progressive when he first came into the side.

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