27 Oct 2025 11:33:42
So we apparently have someone who wants to buy, $200m and $350m shares, can this be true?

1.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 12:25:27
£150m and £250 in shares, John textor, who was involved with palace, is involved with Lyon and a Brazilian club, can't remember which, he has fingers in a lot of pies, not saying its the right or wrong thing to do to sell to textor, but this won't have happened overnight.

Interesting that the second in command in fosun entertainment was over here at the weekend, read into that what you will.

2.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 12:41:52
I have read this as well Abbeywolf, Fosun must just love to torture us supporters. Just can’t get my head around everything, Jeff saying he should have sacked GON sooner, 12 months later we in the same position, totally ridiculous. How many more games we will continue in the same way and the atmosphere deteriorate further. No lessons learnt at all. It is bad but when we were 2-0 down part of me wanted them to score a few more, this is the effect it has ?

3.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 13:00:12
Apparently a bid worth £400 million!
He must be off his head to offer that. We ay worth half that! This time next year we won’t be worth a quarter of it. And Fosun have turned it down! They must be even dafter.

4.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 14:03:25
Not sure about Textor he does seem to come with the description 'controversial' around him but the several sue this and appeal against that issues may be just normal in the world of high finance.

I wonder if since selling his 40% in Crystal Palace he just wants to own a Premier League club outright. Time will tell I suppose but why are the Fosun lot here?

It can only be one of two reasons, taking stock ready to sell or taking stock ready to make significant changes. The latter would do if they change the Chairman and their attitude towards the club, both of which are responsible for the mess we are in.

5.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 14:16:28
There's an motive behind it, but what? Is it the lease on the ground they want? Move the mol? Devlope on the old site? Can't be for the love of football clubs.

6.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 15:21:14
Andy pan ( not Pandy) vice president of fosun and president of fosun media and entertainment, I doubt he was here for a free hospitality meal!

We really don't know what's going on fosun say they only want investors and not to sell the club, but you don't put £400m on the table on a whim overnight, this must have been going back and forth for some time.

Then of course there has to be due diligence and the FA's right and proper checks! So even if it's not textor and eagle holdings its a long term project to buy out and take over a premier league club, unless textor accepts something like 30-40% investment opportunity?

I just give in now, I left the match Sunday to hear two fans saying Burnley robbed us of a point! Is that what it has come to? We were rubbish and they were better, complaining we were robbed of a point! Laughable!

7.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 15:47:30
Steady on Abbey, you seem to be suggesting they want to begin a long and expensive program of expanding the ground capacity, building a hotel and a flyover over the ring road to connect the ground to the city centre.

I've never heard of such a thing. ?

8.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 15:59:06
Abbey you are aware, are you not, that Fosun has mortgaged the lease on the ground (oh and by the way the TV money/parachute payment as well!).
Wolves used to borrow from a well known Australian bank called Macquarie but recently switched to someone I don't know called "Alter Domus".
The Mortgage was made public knowledge on the 16th of Sep this year and can be read on the Gov.uk website.
If Wolves default on the loan, (or presumably any payments to creditors, the players etc etc as cross default normally triggers a breach), which if they are relegated is almost inevitable, unless an owner injects not insignificant sums over the next 2 or 3 years, ( in the first year the sale of the squad will probably keep the creditors at bay for a while), Alter Domus will almost certainly take the TV money/parachute payment as immediate repayment of the £100m loan they have advanced to Wolves.
PS Not sure the lease is worth that much, as there are probably restrictive covenants in it to stop Alter Domus knocking down the ground and building houses.

Thus the only reason for buying Wolves is to run a football team.

PPs Given the team looks highly likely to be relegated it is very very hard to see why anyone would pay £400m or indeed £40m or even £4m for the club.
Under any logical metric the club has a negative value even before relegation.
To put into context the owner of Brentford sold a chunk of the club this summer valuing it at £400m.
But it makes, (on average over the last 3 years before players sales), £80m pa more than Wolves!
How much would you pay to get £80m pa - surely at least £400m meaning it is worth more than £400m more than Wolves!
Brentford are also not considered favourites to be relegated.

It is worth noting though that football finances do not follow any logic so maybe someone might be so vain as to think they can turn Wolves around and stupid enough to pay Fosun for the privilege of trying!

9.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 16:49:09
No tfig I'm not aware or at all knowledgeable in the financial tangles, as I'm sure you'll know.
I was simply wondering why someone would be offering so much for our club in the circumstances we're in, and to be honest if I understand you, that question is even more of a quandary. There must be more to it than pure football club ownership.?

10.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 18:14:35
I don't think any top tier football club is a good investment, purely on the finances. There are far better ways to invest £400mil. There are always non-financial reasons as well. Chelsea sold for £4.25 billion, so for less than 10% of that you can buy Wolves, a club in the same elite division. So what if Wolves don't actually own the freehold of the stadium, Chelsea don't either. Wolves have a 900-odd year lease from the local council. and the Chelsea freehold is owned by the Chelsea Pitch Owners PLC in which fans etc have a stake. In each case the freehold ownership is designed to prevent unscrupulous owners selling up for redevelopment etc.

11.) 27 Oct 2025
27 Oct 2025 23:27:33
Deep of course you are correct football is an insane business, even, or perhaps especially, in the Prem.
So much money flows through it - although largely to a handful of clubs at the top end - but it virtually all flows straight out again to the players and the agents etc that now control the game.
Sadly though in a few months time it is highly likely that Wolves will not be in the Prem nor in all likelihood will it be for the foreseeable future if it even has a future.
If this, not being in the Prem, makes a club a better or worse investment I am not sure but it certainly should make it a much much much smaller investment - Championship clubs are not worth £400m or anything like that.
In Wolves case however there are special circumstances that massively override any normal circumstances that accompany relegation.
Wolves are financially a basket case even before relegation and it is hard to see a medium term, (beyond 1 year - even that only bought by the sale of the entire first team squad), way forward post relegation .
Agree re the freehold.
Unfortunately in Wolves case it merely means that their lender will take the TV /parachute money instead when/if Wolves default on any obligations.
This will sadly merely nail the coffin firmly down as it is virtually impossible to cut costs from the current £255m, (including circa £180m + of cash costs), to the post relegation income, including the parachute payment, of what, £100m.
But if the parachute payment is taken by the lender to payback their loan then moving cash costs of £180m + to the £30m or so that Wolves will be left operating with is obviously impossible.
Note selling the entire first team squad will reduce costs - but not anywhere near enough - as their wages are merely what circa £60 -70m.
Additionally if the club is to continue playing surely a new squad will need to be assembled that will cost money both for transfer fees and wages.

12.) 28 Oct 2025
28 Oct 2025 06:44:47
Realistically how long would a take over take? Would it save our season in terms of recruitment's in Jan? Imo were consigned to what we've got, the only way to change things is to change the style of play and can VP do that? Can VP recreat the team spirit, the 'pack' mentality? Not from the attitude he displayed on Sunday, not from the suggestion of 'favourites ' in selection and subbing of players.
I'm firmly in the belief that we need new coaches not sure who, but a new wind etc.