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30 Oct 2025 10:33:50
Thefutureisoldgold1 has written an article entitled, Wolverhampton Wanderers Player Ratings v Chelsea
1.) 30 Oct 2025 11:59:41
Hard to know to make of the match after that awful first half, but the second half was a moral victory. 3 goals against 1 conceded in the second half against a Chelsea side with Cucurella, Fernandez, Neto on for a good chunk of that half, and Caicedo at the end. Just add up what those guys cost Chelsea: enough to take over Wolves, lock stock and barrel. This belated fight back just confirms that we can do it, but VP can't motivate us sufficiently. He is surely on borrowed time. Brendan Rodgers should be installed without delay, as VP has lost the dressing room and lost the fans.
2.) 30 Oct 2025 12:03:01
Can't argue with most of those ratings future, and to think that for ages there was a widespread view that Johnstone isn't an upgrade on Sa! Score one or two but miss lots is what we're going to get with Tolu I'm afraid as I recall that the stats showed that when we bought him.
At least he puts himself about and gets in scoring positions. Krejci should be playing in midfield for the time being, I think, because he does have an element of creativity that's missing in virtually everyone else.
3.) 30 Oct 2025 12:49:22
The problem being Deep that history only remembers the result not the performance. I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that a change is needed, almost a quarter into the season now with just 2 points.
Probably like most I'm just waiting for that first win that may be a turning point or at least an indication that things are changing but it's not happening consistently enough.
4.) 30 Oct 2025 13:12:08
Yea please stop going on about we scored 3 we were poor again and lost again I didn't know the answer to our current situation I think we might have to lose vp. Is dmw and tolu now our top scorer?, lol.
5.) 30 Oct 2025 14:22:32
Rogers, Deep? No thanks from me.
20 Oct 2025 13:51:50
I have posted less over the past few weeks as I have been trying to limit my negative posting and focus on more positive matters. Sadly there is very little to be positive about
I have previously said that Vitor should already be gone as he clearly isn't getting the best out of the squad available to him - which despite what Wandering and indeed he himself has said, (he wants to keep his job so he will say whatever the boss asks him to!), I don't for one minute believe it is what he wanted to be working with when the season started - but to be fair to him it is an awful squad.
Not only did Wolves sell its best 2 players but it seems it has also lost another 3 of the best 7 - Semedo to free agency and JSL and Emmanuel to Lemina like falls off of a cliff form drop offs.
Also, although Wolves bought a number of cheap players, (£100m for 6 players is cheap in Prem terms - there were a few players bought by other teams who appear to be excellent signings at those modest prices, but only a few, explaining why it was such a high risk strategy), only Krejci, (unsurprisingly the most expensive of the players acquired!), currently looks like a top half of the Prem quality player.
Consequently at both ends of the pitch and particularly going forwards there is just so little quality.
So the only positive I can find is that Wolves fans on here and other sites are now largely united in acknowledging the situation.
I was virtually a lone voice questioning the direction of travel post Seville being castigated for criticising for example the signings of Fabio, Trincao and Guedes.
However over the years more and more posters - aided by the, (to me at least), undeniable evidence of the increasingly poor results on the pitch and in the accounts - started to see the problem.
Amazingly though even this summer on this site I was still being challenged over my criticism of Jeff and his management of the club on and off the pitch!
Now it seems even the most fervent of Jeff's supporters have realised that he isn't running the club to benefit the club. Either because he is grossly incompetent or more likely he is running the club with a different agenda.
So where is the future - sadly it isn't old gold?
Is it possible to survive in the Prem or indeed even as a club?
Obviously yes to the latter, (although it's not a given!), but even the former is still possible!
Vitor has to go now - who on earth replaces him I don't know.
Whoever it is has to find some way of getting Emmanuel and JSL firing - maybe promise JSL he can leave next summer? They have to tighten up the defence and hope that enough results can be ground out that it is not all over by Jan when Fosun have to decide if they double down or quit?
There is simply no creativity, goal scoring or basic quality in the forward line. To change that will be very hard . Finding players of sufficient quality willing to join Wolves will be extremely difficult and expensive.
My view is that Fosun won't. They will accept relegation and hope that they can strip out whatever value there is left in the squad - maybe only Andre, Gomes and Krejci - and then hope that they can find a fool/fan willing to take on the carcass that will remain.
This is sadly going to be very ugly indeed and may take a long time to recover from.
Given my age I suspect I should enjoy the remainder of the season as I may well never see Wolves in the Prem again.
Tks Jeff!
1.) 20 Oct 2025 17:14:19
Jeff and VP have through their individual incompetences have destroyed this club.
2.) 20 Oct 2025 18:15:24
future. A very true summation of the situation, the sort of statement that whilst not being what you want to read you have to accept it. I have stopped posting for pretty much the same reason, the appalling recruitment of the summer caused to stop bothering to post because the results we've had were inevitable. All I can say to Jeff is go now you've done appalling damage to our club and enough is enough. To Fosun put up or clear off and let someone else have a go before it's too late! Vitor it's time for you to go, thanks for last season but you're simply not up to the task I'm afraid.
COYW
3.) 20 Oct 2025 18:22:31
Well I can't see any new investments or owners prior to the winter transfer window, I can't see who we bring in to replace VP, so sadly I'm inclined to agree that we could fall through one or more divisions again.
Unless something changes in the next few weeks it doesn't look promising.
At some point in the future the club will probably offer the prospects of good value to a new owner prepared to take a chance (similar to Wagner and Brady at Blues). It may however be more difficult to get rid of Fosun than we think.
22 Sep 2025 10:06:15
Been away on holidays and off line for two weeks.
Since I last looked, 4 significant things seem to have happened
1 good, 1 not surprising, 1 bad and 1 insanely surprising.
JSL signed a new contract without a release clause
Wolves lost away at Newcastle .
Wolves lost, seemingly quite badly, at home to Leeds. The 2nd of the 8 must win games I identified in an earlier post "the road to survival" both lost at home!
Wolves gave Vitor a new contract!
As Wolves have picked up 1 point from the last 9 league games in normal circumstances he would be on very very thin ice and in my view should actually be gone now! However sacking him either this week or even over the next few weeks will both be highly embarrassing and very expensive!
What is going on?
I can totally understand why Vitor signed a new contract as he was, (in the rational world), just about to be sacked and a new contract hugely increases the pay off he will receive. However, why did Jeff offer him a new contract as, even as a non football man, he knows he is likely to have to sack him soon - lesson learnt from not sacking GON soon enough?
Was he frightened that Vitor would walk and no one credible would take the job?
To be honest I have no idea - but is Jeff really this stupid?
However the far far more relevant question is why is the club in this mess?
The short answer for anyone with the wit and willingness to see is that this has been coming since Seville.
Phil, (an ex-poster for those that don't know him), used to ask me if Wolves would go down this season and I would reply no not this year but its coming. Now I am not so certain that the club has done enough to avoid the drop this year.
But specifically this year?
I tend to agree with Wandering and say that to a large extent it sits with Vitor
Yes Wolves had yet another abysmal transfer window - selling high quality and experienced players and buying, for not insignificant sums, 6 largely younger players with no Prem experience. (Incredibly Wolfe already appears written off - 3rd choice LWB now? - and only Krejci is seemingly currently playing at the levels required.)
Also to be fair to Vitor I question if this really is his side?
I know I have read that he has said he is "happy" but given he was being given a new contract to quote Mandy Rice Davies "he would say that wouldn't he?"
We certainly know he wanted Krejci as he was on the "list" but if he is happy with the rest of this squad he is even more damned than I had thought. I suspect that he wouldn't have wanted to lose the quality players he did and we know he wanted to buy "better" players, including some of those on his "list". He can however only operate within the restrictions of the market - prices Wolves will pay, wages Wolves will pay and even more relevantly players willing to come to Wolves.
But it is far worse than this. The squad is awful but nothing like this bad. Vitor seemingly has lost if not the entire dressing room at least elements of it - Andre, now one of the 2 best players is clearly out of sorts and the body language of several others including seemingly JSL is apparently poor.
Selections, tactics, fitness and morale all are poor according to numerous pundits and social media posters.
Like Emmanuel's form in the second half of last year was that brief flurry of results against the bottom 6 last season the high point of Vitor's reign?
1.) 22 Sep 2025 10:47:39
As I said in my previous post TFIOG it's a multi layered mess no doubt and sadly it won't get any better whether we survive relegation this season or not.
For Shi and VP to both claim he got the players he wanted is pure PR nothing more, nothing less. The Club is on it's knees now thanks to the owners lack of investment and Shi's incompetence controlling the way whatever money they do have, is spent.
Everyone is trying to work under continually deteriorating circumstances, it makes no sense.
2.) 22 Sep 2025 11:20:36
Unfortunately my friends Jeff is guilty of the old doing the same things over again and expecting a different result. As they say good luck with that one!
Obviously I do hope we get a different result but I am not going to hold my breath.
COYW
3.) 22 Sep 2025 11:32:14
Clearly something is amiss, what? I don't know. Is Jeff really stupid enough to give VP a new contract knowing he will need to fire him before Christmas, I don't know and without knowing the details its hard to say, but yes it may be difficult to replace the manager this time.
4.) 22 Sep 2025 12:29:19
I have started to question as well if VP has lost the players as Future mentions. Krejci I think looks a good player, Lopez has potential, the rest of the new signings, to be kind, need more time to settle. Arias and Wolfe not looking likely to ever be good replacements for Cunha and RAN.
I do still think we are a better team than the way we are performing, maybe this poor form is due to the players not being happy, whether this is down to VP or the actions of Jeff and Co, something is not right.
Will we beat Everton, Spurs or Brighton?
Best chance seems to be Everton if they play a weakened side, real possibility we lose the next 3 unfortunately, then what?
5.) 22 Sep 2025 14:50:50
They always say the first sig of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, well step forward Jeff Shi who is the ultimate proof of this statement.
As stated no one with credibility will want to touch us with a barge pole. If people think Nuno would come back when the problem is still here (Jeff again) then think again, would you go back to a company you had a fall out with the boss I think not.
When the same story is being peddled out by 4 previous managers then the issue is still there (Jeff again).
On Fosun they may look at it different and think they bought it for £50 odd million and now worth £350 million so in theory he's done his job.
I don't know how it will turn out but unless something changes quickly we will go down. It will be worse in December when at least 5 players leave to the Afcon.
22 Sep 2025 09:55:22
Thefutureisoldgold1 has written an article entitled, Current Thoughts About Wolverhampton Wanderers
24 Aug 2025 13:01:41
What is the road to safety?
Fortunately the magic number for survival is probably going to continue to be well below the "traditional" 40, indeed it has been below 30 in the last 2 seasons.
It is fortunate though as I don't see a route to that number even if the club makes several good signings this week.
Realistically though how many can be brought in 2, 3 at most, (although probably need 6 or 7), so it has to be another forward, a CM who can play as a 10 when not covering the 2 stars and sorry, captain or otherwise, Toti has to go, so an LCB.
I don't like it and obviously have to cross fingers that :1 the various new boys are capable - on v thin evidence of course.2 there are absolutely no injuries or suspensions -as the depth is paper thin 3 certain players like Emmanuel, Andre, Gomes and JSL stand up and show leadership, but the first 11 therefore looks like this. Starting 11 : Sa, Jackson, Yerson Emmanuel, New, (Krejci?) Wolfe, Andre, Gomes, Arias JSL New, (Uche?)
At the moment only 3 or 4 of them at most are playing to Prem standards but 2 by definition have not played yet and others are still extremely new to the club/league so whilst lots of work to do it is surely not impossible to believe this side, despite the appalling lack of Prem experience, can compete?
The route with 36 games left?
The vast majority of the points have to come from 8 games - 2 of which are within the next month! At home to Sunderland, Burnley, Everton, Leeds, WH, Palace (shorn of its stars?), Brentford and Fulham.
Then pick up a few in the reverse fixtures.
I have to hope for high 20s, say 28, from these 16 games.
That leaves 20 games to get, say 8 points (assuming 36 needed for survival) Sounds incredibly easy.
But all but the zealots on here can surely accept the chance of points from Arsenal, City, Liverpool and Chelsea home and away are very low, accounting for 7 of those games.
Away at a rejuvenated Spurs, a re-tooled Man U, Newcastle, Brighton, Villa and Forest also look hard.
So you might be down to 7 games to get 8 points?
Home to Spurs, Man U, Newcastle, Bournemouth, Villa, Brighton and Forest.
Of course Wolves may, as they did last year, pick up a point of two, (or more), from the "little chance" games or the "survival" total may be less than 36 reducing the number required from that 7.
However similarly either the total required might be higher or they won't get to 28 from the "easy" games
Consequently it can be seen that the "route" is very narrow and tight and failing to pick up at least 4 but in reality probably 6 from the 2 "easy" games over the next few weeks may already make it improbable.
1.) 24 Aug 2025 15:20:50
Future. We so desperately need a performance, I feel that the result is almost less important, if some belief could be instilled in this squad I actually think we'd be ok. There lies the problem belief has to come from the coach off the pitch and a 'real' captain on the pitch. VP seems insistent on making the age old mistake of square pegs in round holes, Munetsi isn't an AM/winger and Bellegarde isn't a replacement for Andre (amongst other issues). His current setup is too narrow and predictable.
The other major problem is we haven't had a real established captain since Conor Coady, Dawson was a reasonable stopgap but Lemina, Kilman, Semedo, even king Neves, and now Toti just are not captains. The result is therefore that instead of the team finding an extra 10-20% they actually perform worse than the sum of their parts, look like a bunch of strangers and make mistakes.
I worry that we're seeing the whole Lemina debacle again, nobody capable of he captain job so give it to someone willing, Toti with time and space is an adequate defender, with the weight of the armband added he's a liability.
Hopefully we'll see an improvement next match as it's no pressure and I suspect due to CB issues a tweak to formation, maybe Munetsi or Andre as part of the back 3 but slightly advanced of the other 2. Fingers crossed.
2.) 24 Aug 2025 16:17:46
We need to thank Pereira for saving us last season and give him some slack this. Two games is little to make judgement on but he is in a tight spot as the transfer window has, thus far been a disaster. If the finger is not pulled out in the next two weeks I can see him walking and rightly so. Who would want to replace him under the current circumstances, Dean Saunders? For Fosun it's all about finance and they will asset strip and sell on, it's shocking really but if it's not an easy financial gain I can see them walking having already covered their investment and made a handsome return. No loyalty in football or anything else these days. Let's throw Ukraine to the dogs it's not very different apart from the deaths.
3.) 24 Aug 2025 18:11:51
Just an observation, (and you can say it is a positive or a negative however you want to spin it), but if my putative side is the first 11 then with 5 players debuting this season, Yerson playing only a handful of minutes prior to this year, Emmanuel having half a season, Andre and JSL a season and Gomes 2 and a half, only Sa has any real experience in the prem.
Indeed there will be many players with more Prem experience playing in the Prem this year than the entire Wolves side!
4.) 24 Aug 2025 18:51:11
How many years does Doherty have?
5.) 24 Aug 2025 18:52:39
Indeed Future, to some extent training and coaching is the process of preparing the players to perform a task by rote, when they have to think about every individual pass, tackle or shot it looks like we're currently playing.
This is my reservation with the belief of many posters on here that X new players will solve the problem, sometimes getting the basics right is what's needed.
If anyone is required it's experienced old heads, Jordan Henderson, Kyle Walker etc.
6.) 24 Aug 2025 20:55:21
Handsome - loads but he shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11
Thefutureisoldgold1's rumour replies
10 Oct 2025 11:27:30
Looks like a decent prospect.
However he is highly unlikely to hit the ground running.
Still fairly young and playing at a very low level, Liga Pro, the top division in Ecuador is of a similar level to Norwegian or Hungarian football, i.e. massively below even the English Championship!
Thus unless he is a standout/prodigy in this league, and with only 1 senior cap for Ecuador by the age of 22 he doesn't sound like one, he should, as you say Molineux, be v cheap. However he probably should only be viewed as a prospect/one for the future/squad player and is highly unlikely to be the first 11 starter in the creative midfield/10 role the team needed in August let alone this January.
All in all no worries re taking this player - although of course it means someone has to go out due to NHG limits - but I would be surprised if he is seen as the missing piece that so obviously exists in the first 11
03 Sep 2025 17:50:23
No one picks Yerson?
03 Sep 2025 10:27:36
BB - I hear what you are saying and of course you may well be correct. I hope not though as it would certainly make me concerned re his judgement of players given all the evidence over the past season or so that clearly showed the shortcomings in the squad.
However I am not so certain if it was a conscious decision to keep the players he had? Maybe he simply couldn't get the players he wanted in or equally and just as importantly he couldn't get the players out he didn't. {All within the constraints of the market and finances}
Standing still doesn't always mean you are happy where you are just that you can't/didn't move.
ps It appears Molineux has given a pretty clear answer to my original q of if he is good enough!
03 Sep 2025 09:17:57
If better than the current crop obviously yes but is he?
if he has been released by Lille is he good enough?
I'mafraid I have to leave that decision to Vitor and his coaches.
BB I acknowledge that Wolves have 6 CBs in the squad but
Yerson is v injury prone, Doc should be done, S Bueno isn't good enough, Emanuel appears lost, Toti needs help and can't play otherwise and the new boy is new - and apparently, according to some at least, is going to be covering DM as well.
Perhaps the resources which on paper appear adequate are in fact a little thin?
Sadly you can do the same analysis for pretty much the entire squad though as after 5 years of managed dismantling it is now both weak and shallow.
Hence the gloom and doom and "realistic" views re its prospects in the poll on this site.
02 Sep 2025 10:50:04
BB - I am not certain but I think that if Lima had stayed at Wolves or anywhere else in England/Wales he would have qualified as home grown - 3 seasons in England before 21 - but now he won't!
Given the importance of that classification and the obvious shortage of homegrown players in the squad either Wolves have given up on him and don't expect him to be around post 21 or they have made a monumental error!
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30 Oct 2025 07:32:21
A sad but not entirely inaccurate statement.
29 Oct 2025 22:04:44
Ed 01 - It's not a matter of life or death it's more serious than that.
Another fabulous Shankly quote I believe.
You may not be old enough to remember it but when Ron Yeats was signed he also made some crazy remark about him being so big you had to take a tour to get round him!
{Ed001's Note - Shanks was a legend. My auntie May used to go to the games with his wife Nessie after she retired (she worked at Anfield all her life) and had so many stories about him. Before my time unfortunately.}
27 Oct 2025 23:27:33
Deep of course you are correct football is an insane business, even, or perhaps especially, in the Prem.
So much money flows through it - although largely to a handful of clubs at the top end - but it virtually all flows straight out again to the players and the agents etc that now control the game.
Sadly though in a few months time it is highly likely that Wolves will not be in the Prem nor in all likelihood will it be for the foreseeable future if it even has a future.
If this, not being in the Prem, makes a club a better or worse investment I am not sure but it certainly should make it a much much much smaller investment - Championship clubs are not worth £400m or anything like that.
In Wolves case however there are special circumstances that massively override any normal circumstances that accompany relegation.
Wolves are financially a basket case even before relegation and it is hard to see a medium term, (beyond 1 year - even that only bought by the sale of the entire first team squad), way forward post relegation .
Agree re the freehold.
Unfortunately in Wolves case it merely means that their lender will take the TV /parachute money instead when/if Wolves default on any obligations.
This will sadly merely nail the coffin firmly down as it is virtually impossible to cut costs from the current £255m, (including circa £180m + of cash costs), to the post relegation income, including the parachute payment, of what, £100m.
But if the parachute payment is taken by the lender to payback their loan then moving cash costs of £180m + to the £30m or so that Wolves will be left operating with is obviously impossible.
Note selling the entire first team squad will reduce costs - but not anywhere near enough - as their wages are merely what circa £60 -70m.
Additionally if the club is to continue playing surely a new squad will need to be assembled that will cost money both for transfer fees and wages.
27 Oct 2025 15:59:06
Abbey you are aware, are you not, that Fosun has mortgaged the lease on the ground (oh and by the way the TV money/parachute payment as well!).
Wolves used to borrow from a well known Australian bank called Macquarie but recently switched to someone I don't know called "Alter Domus".
The Mortgage was made public knowledge on the 16th of Sep this year and can be read on the Gov.uk website.
If Wolves default on the loan, (or presumably any payments to creditors, the players etc etc as cross default normally triggers a breach), which if they are relegated is almost inevitable, unless an owner injects not insignificant sums over the next 2 or 3 years, ( in the first year the sale of the squad will probably keep the creditors at bay for a while), Alter Domus will almost certainly take the TV money/parachute payment as immediate repayment of the £100m loan they have advanced to Wolves.
PS Not sure the lease is worth that much, as there are probably restrictive covenants in it to stop Alter Domus knocking down the ground and building houses.
Thus the only reason for buying Wolves is to run a football team.
PPs Given the team looks highly likely to be relegated it is very very hard to see why anyone would pay £400m or indeed £40m or even £4m for the club.
Under any logical metric the club has a negative value even before relegation.
To put into context the owner of Brentford sold a chunk of the club this summer valuing it at £400m.
But it makes, (on average over the last 3 years before players sales), £80m pa more than Wolves!
How much would you pay to get £80m pa - surely at least £400m meaning it is worth more than £400m more than Wolves!
Brentford are also not considered favourites to be relegated.
It is worth noting though that football finances do not follow any logic so maybe someone might be so vain as to think they can turn Wolves around and stupid enough to pay Fosun for the privilege of trying!
24 Oct 2025 11:59:05
QS -I think the difference is whilst Covid affected all clubs, in the post Covid period in general owners supported their clubs to recover.
In Wolves case however the owners were, as you stated, badly affected by Covid and so Wolves are not only not being supported by Fosun but are actually being forced to support Fosun itself.
I doubt there is another club in the UK or even the World that has been forced to carry such an unsustainable obligation.
It is therefore fair to say that Covid has impacted Wolves to a far greater extent than it has any other club.