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18 Jun 2025 22:36:51
Given we want a left sided CB and players who can play multiple positions, LWB and DM in this case apparently, thoughts on Renato Veiga (sp) of Chelsea.
Similar age to Lopez but vastly more experienced, (was virtually an ever present for Juventus during his 6 month loan period there last season), and a full international.
Allegedly on modest wages and available for a similar fee to that paid for Lopez?
1.) 19 Jun 2025 09:04:45
Got to confess I don't know the player Tfig, but I also don't think Lopez is really one for this season, more another (money) Pot boiler.
So if he measures up as you say then he'd be a preferred choice for the 25/26 first team I'd think.
2.) 19 Jun 2025 15:13:08
Isn’t this season finished Abbey? Therefore, he is ready for the coming season? Or, am I misreading what you wrote!
3.) 19 Jun 2025 15:38:05
What if he wants a raise?
4.) 19 Jun 2025 19:09:25
I confused myself there doog, I meant the player tfigwas on about wouldbe a preferred choice over Lopez who'd be one for the future.
This season next season last season does me head in sometimes.lol
5.) 19 Jun 2025 21:39:18
Veiga would be competition for both Toti at LCB and H Bueno at LWB. He would also be cover for the 2 stars at DM.
WO I am sure we would have to negotiate a contract for him as with all new players but given he is currently on modest money that will be easier than if he was already on massive wages.
16 Jun 2025 07:39:12
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15 Jun 2025 09:09:12
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15 Jun 2025 00:07:29
At the end of the 23/24 season we lined up: Sa, Semedo, Kilman, Dawson, Toti, RAN, Lemina, Gomes, Hwang, Cunha, Neto.
As at this moment only 3 of them are likely to be playing for us next season - just over 12 months later.
We have added Emmanuel, Andre and JSL as definitive first 11 players so are some 5 short of a strong first 11.
Given we were always short on depth and will probably/presumably/hopefully lose a few of the weaker members of the squad we probably need to add another 5 squad players as well.
Although it is possible that Bueno, Yerson and Bellegarde/Munetsi might now be regarded as first 11 players we still need to add circa 10 new players.
Given the impossibility of getting every transfer correct we probably need to be signing something like a minimum of 15 new players over the summer!
That is some task!
Obviously we have no idea of the budget - wages and fees - but let's assume we will spend circa £150m and wages won't be a problem as we will not be signing established stars from major sides i.e. players already earning high wages.
Nevertheless we will need to be careful and find some bargains/frees or take a player or two on loan!
Going forwards then
GK: Sa/new - would have loved Kelleher (as number 1 and sold Sa to help fund ) but missed out.
RWB New/Lima - don't think Lima is ready (No idea for first choice but left field suggestion of Tanganga of Millwall - release clause of £1.2m low wages homegrown v physical prospect as back up who can play both CB/RB).
CBs - New/Emmanuel/Toti Back ups Yerson/ 2 new preferably at least one left sided- (Robert Renan on loan from Zenit ( issues?). Doc/S. Bueno/Djiga as, (at the moment), 7th or 8th best options at best.Maybe S Bueno will be sold or Djiga loaned out.
LWB - New/H Bueno. If we think H Bueno is the number 1 then Serge Reguilon on a free is an option as a cheap but experienced back up who has always looked good going forwards if a little suspect defensively
Midfield Andre/Gomes - back ups New/Traore or Doyle assuming neither moving on.
Forwards New/JSL/New - huge ask here as we are looking v short of goals and creativity. Back ups Bellegarde/New/Munetsi - assuming Hwang and Guedes move on and Sasa retires injured.
Thoughts and realistic ideas for the new players?
1.) 15 Jun 2025 07:21:45
10 plus players Tfiog? Jeff will have a nosebleed. I can see us operating with a small squad again or promote some U's.
I suppose it depends on the definition of 'support' Fosuns may yet prove to be a little different to ours, so let's hope they surprise us.
2.) 15 Jun 2025 10:35:37
Tfiog I agree lots of new additions and replacements required. Personally I think priorities are new GK and probably 3 attacking players to replace Cunha, Sarabia and probably Guedes and/or Hwang. At the moment we lack creativity, not sure who would even take corners and free kicks. Additions required elsewhere as you mention, just hope VP gets the backing and is allowed sufficient funds. ??
3.) 15 Jun 2025 16:30:57
I said a few weeks ago that if the Cunha and AIT money is used wisely, we could have a stronger squad.
The players I mentioned to purchase with the Cunha money were Mohamed Amoura and Yuri Alberto. Both experienced players with games under their belts.
The AIT replacement would ideally be Bueno so no money needs to be spent there.
The other players that need replacing as they are involved in actual game play most weeks are Semedo (if he goes), Sarabia and Guedes.
Surely Lopez has been earmarked as a younger replacement for Sarabia. We've also been linked with: Guessand and Stassin who if correct will replace Guedes.
The likes of Doyle, Hwang and Forbs were little more than bit part players so their replacements don't necessarily need vast amounts of experience but they do need to be squad ready.
Semedo is the most difficult to replace. Is Lima ready to step up? I'm not sure so but if he does go, maybe we should consider James Justin from Leicester.
Djiga will be ready as will Mosquera, however, he may be loaned out.
Either way, the transfer market reopens tomorrow and I expect the squad to look very different between now and the end of the window.
4.) 17 Jun 2025 19:49:13
Well tfg.we did the same when we let jota go with doherty.we lost a lot of goals ther and never replaced em.now wev done the same with cunha n ran.30 goals scored n made between em.and won't replace that.wasting 20mil on a kid who won't make the grade.at least its not 35mil!.bueno hopefully will replace ran.always rared him.but bellegarde munetsi and whoever else will not get or provide another 25 +goals.so wer going backwards at a rapid pace.even gon said if you keep selli g your best players eventually it sends u down.wel have tp rely on the promoted3 being as the last promoted3.simple as that.if you thinkn anything else.wake up.we keep getting sold down the river.this time we ain't gota paddle
27 May 2025 12:14:34
Final post of the summer and the most controversial.
Football despite complex accounts and a myriad of on field variables is in fact a simple game and business.
Win matches and make money, (the 2 are directly correlated in both directions - rich teams win matches and teams that win matches become rich)
So how have we been doing under Jeff these last 2 years.
This has been beaten to death with many posters on here either obfuscating, ignoring or directly denying facts.
So for the numerate ones amongst you 2 v simple to read and understand facts that illustrate exactly the aims of the club.
In the last 2 years of the Thelwell, Dalrymple and Nuno era - i.e. the 2 years up to Seville we came 7th twice and made, (according to the club's official audited accounts), an underlying, on going, pre player sales profit of just over £20m
Over the last 2 years under Jeff we have come 14th and 16th and made on the same basis as above a loss of over £182m.
So as I have said here many times under Jeff we have dropped down the league, 14th and 16th are not as good as 7th twice.
Whilst financially we have seen an over £200m swing from profit to loss.
Not sure how any Wolves fan defends this but I'm sure there will be some!
Have a great summer and I hope that everything you want, (both at Wolves and in your own lives), has come to fruition when the new season starts in August.
1.) 27 May 2025 12:35:22
Personally, I tend to look at the profit and losses of the entire business rather than just one element or everything except one element.
Usually find the accounts submitted to HMRC to be pretty accurate.
You may be correct about the pre sales figures, but you have to look at all of the figures and they don't seem as bad as you state.
Yes we've made a loss of over £200m pre player sales, BUT player sales form part of the business so must be included.
Anyway, have a safe summer and let's see where we are in the summer.
2.) 27 May 2025 13:40:21
TFIOG as usual you're not wrong and Wandering I think you're making his point for him. It's exactly because of those pre-player sales losses that Wolves are having to sell off the best on a continuous basis to avoid PSR.
If Fosun had done more to build the clubs income, hang on to our best and maintained the momentum pre-Seville maybe we wouldn't be scrapping to survive at this level. I don't think it's a coincidence.
3.) 27 May 2025 13:41:20
Sorry sent that a bit early, have a good summer everyone, let's see what next season brings.
4.) 27 May 2025 20:10:39
At risk of being called a pedant, Future there's one fact you've missed; summer hasn't even started yet! ?
I think that most of us believe it's going to be an interesting transfer window and, given that funds from sales may well be held back to cover at least some of the losses mentioned, I'm sure it'll be even more interesting for us to find out how much Fosun will be prepared to spend and how smart our transfer dealings turn out to be.It will make a very nice change not to have to rely on the next January window to get us out of trouble. Don't bank (excuse the pun) on it though!
5.) 28 May 2025 16:47:58
Fosun and WWFC, One's a super rich conglomerate while the other is a Club having to sell players and struggling to stay in the Premier League, must be some reason for them to own the Club, it has little to do with football, unless of course you see trading players as an entertainment, same old, same old for next season, repetitive and boring is an understatement.
6.) 28 May 2025 18:19:18
I am still hoping funds from player sales will be re-invested and VP will oversee and suggest some excellent players. Time will tell but have to try and be optimistic.
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21 Jun 2025 12:06:21
Was a very high quality player. Question marks now about both fitness and attitude.
Suspect - like Son of Spurs another that wouldn't be completely insane, although he also looks "done" at the top level or wouldn't be available - he will have better paid if lower quality football options.
I believe however that we will need to look at loans, "left field" ideas and non obvious options.
Players who are obviously good enough to replace Cunha/Ran or who are clearly massive improvements on Yerson/Toti/Bellegarde etc are likely to be both out of our price range and unwilling to join Wolves.
Hence trawling in the overseas markets where we found Emmanuel, Andre, JSL and Gomes J our 4 remaining "stars" for less than £20m a pop on average! .
20 Jun 2025 15:41:42
Free transfer, home grown, (important as we are short of those), good age (28) and on very modest wages currently - or at least last year as now a free agent!
This would appear to be a fairly sensible idea - hopefully Lima (or Hoever who I think has one year left?), will develop and become competition or even a replacement over the year - but in the short term he is adequate.
The counter argument is that although he is adequate he is in my view anyway a fairly significant downgrade on Semedo. Can we afford downgrades in the first 11 when we are looking to improve from 16th place?
But conversely can we afford to pay money out for an alternative RWB when hopefully we will be spending every penny we can afford improving elsewhere.
Whilst finding players better than RAN and Cunha is almost impossible we need to get as good as we can for those positions of LWB and number 10 and hope in other areas, our new RCB, replacing Doherty and other number 10, replacing Bellegarde we are able to find a couple of marked upgrades!
19 Jun 2025 21:33:50
Tks good post
We would need those 2 number 10s to be very good indeed. However Guessard as one of them may well be.
The defence is however a lot weaker without Semedo and RAN who also both, especially RAN, added a fair bit to our offence. Consequently we might need your signings at WB, especially at RWB, to be first choices not back ups.
Also think we need to strengthen the back up CBs as Doc may no longer be up to being first cab off the rank and I don't rate S Bueno and don't know Djiga.
Being greedy I want a new back up GK and CF
19 Jun 2025 21:23:05
Tim that is a sensible response.
We can't afford to be paying non playing players but if he stays fit he is a screaming bargain.
So compromise with a structured contract as you suggest.
Note would be HG too and we are short on those
17 Jun 2025 08:20:22
Looks the real deal, young but very experienced and a full international.
His record shows real progress with a superb 21 in 33, (out of a league of 34 possible matches - so pretty much ever present), goal contributions in his last season.
6 foot 2 and described as athletic and powerful with excellent work rate- Didier Drogaba anyone? - so won't struggle with the physicality of the league.
what's not to like at only a few Euros more than the promising but unproven Lopez.
Although as Madman correctly points out all transfers have a risk this one looks pretty low especially if Wolves are only paying circa Euro 30m.
Fingers crossed he signs as he looks perfect to be one of the nailed on starters we require in the front line alongside JSL
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20 Jun 2025 20:55:06
Would assume it will be Emmanuel.
At this stage only 4 players are nailed on to start and Wandering named 3 of them - JSL doesn't seem captain material and harder to skipper a side from CF
19 Jun 2025 21:39:18
Veiga would be competition for both Toti at LCB and H Bueno at LWB. He would also be cover for the 2 stars at DM.
WO I am sure we would have to negotiate a contract for him as with all new players but given he is currently on modest money that will be easier than if he was already on massive wages.
19 Jun 2025 11:39:40
Addendum - Sarabia's cost despite the low fee was not that low as his wages were indeed high. However I imagine we expected much more from him and given his record to the point we bought him I guess that was fair. Sorry I can't recall my view at the time he was bought.
Clearly in retrospect it was not, in my and Vitor's view, (he didn't pick him other than as you say a few minutes here and there despite the paucity of options available), a good deal and he has moved on
19 Jun 2025 11:32:58
Wandering - apologies if I have over stepped the mark. If you are a Wolves fan I have to take my hat off to you for your loyalty to Jeff and the club. They are very lucky to have such supportive fans.
Re Sarabia - My view, was pretty much the same as Vitor's. He was not a first 11 player, but was merely a squad player who played a few minutes here and there - I see Trasfermarket has him playing just over 800 minutes over the season.
I actually think he was a very talented player but just not suited to the physical nature of the league. Given the low cost - low transfer fee, albeit with high wages. - he was an acceptable risk that didn't really come off - albeit with some magic moments that reflected his undoubted underlying talent.
19 Jun 2025 10:28:36
Wandering I have to give you that one. In my later post I clarified one full appearance but I accept that in my first post, for the sake of brevity, I did allow ambiguity to creep in which you spotted.
Does it change the point though? You don't accept he is inexperienced and you are, as you are in virtually all your posts, wrong!
Re your second point that is nonsense. We had a very long discussion over the accounts which you, and there is no shame here as accounts are complex, totally misunderstood.
I only ever pointed you to the official accounts on the GovUK web site, these are the ones HMRC use.
Re your second post. I AM a Wolves fan and praise good moves, see my post on the signing of Andre and the possible signing of Guessand etc etc. But unlike you I do not praise actions that either do hurt the team or are inappropriately balanced vis a vis risk reward.
Now it could be you don't understand the difference? As in you don't seem to understand that its not good going from 7th to 16th or, (and I hate to mention accounts again), its not good losing money hand over fist so that we have to sell our best players every year, perhaps that is why we have dropped down the league maybe?
Or as I suspect you don't care?
If you are a Wolves fan why aren't you - like me - angry at how Jeff, since Seville, has hurt Wolves. This is either due to his incompetence or as a result of a new, (and misguided) policy from Fosun that foolishly believes the model of buying and selling talent leads to anything other than a steady decline - see last few years for evidence!
Either way why aren't you unhappy with the evolution of the club since Seville?